水中月
良辰靜夜心無塵，對花傾情恨有身。已知飛紅無悔意，手把枝頭數青春。聽風已見羽展翅，荊柯搖曳相握雲。明朝踏馬隨君去，來生相逢笑顏芬。
三十二、故影
水溶帶領三萬長槍鐵騎，並一萬多京畿治下的精銳兵馬返回京都去。但到了距京都一百多裏地的大軍行轅，他屯紮了兵馬，命諸將養精蓄銳，隨時聽候調遣。自己卻帶了黛玉她們，並率護衛二百，悄然離開了遍插了王旗的行轅，便衣星夜奔往京都。
黛玉的大車依然走在隊伍的中心，有八輛隨侍的車子跟著，紫鵑抱著萬兒帶了兩個奶水充足的奶媽在後麵一輛大車裏。那張穩婆完成使命之後便沒有跟來，王莊頭在水溶授意下給了她最大的酬勞，並允諾了她家人一些將來的打算。
大部分時間，黛玉會讓紫鵑和萬兒並一個奶媽到自己的大車裏來，和孩子一同逗樂，時間也就快了。這樣走了一天多，臨近傍晚時分就到了京都邊界的一處小鎮。水溶叫黛玉下車吃些飯食，也舒展一下疲乏的筋骨。黛玉讓水溶牽了手，和紫鵑抱著孩子走進一個名叫“晉升”的客棧。因為不想招人眼目，朱英他們也沒把在裏麵的閑雜人等趕出去淨場子，隻隨著老板的引領到了一處雅間。大家吃了些飯食正準備回去，萬兒在這當口卻又拉了一泡，正當紫鵑指揮著要這要那清理著，隊伍那邊有人叫王爺過去商量要事。黛玉便對水溶道：“收拾完了我們就回去，你先去吧。”水溶自帶人去了，朱英和幾個護衛就在雅間門口等著。
黛玉看著紫鵑和兩個奶媽收拾好了，準備要走，卻聽得外頭有人嗬斥了誰一句，就有一個極熟悉的聲音道：“你不要推我，我自會走開的。”黛玉一聽，如雷轟頂，趕緊站起身來。隻聽得外麵有些亂，因為正值恩科會試，很多舉子前來應試，進城前都在這裏打尖，稍有些錢財的便來廳堂坐著飲酒。黛玉叫了朱英，讓他喊進來那個說話的人。那人走到門口，黛玉見他還是心裏一驚，連忙拿帕子掩了微張的雙唇，雙目便開始變得模糊，這邊紫鵑也直著身子呆住了。隻見寶玉穿了一身降白繭綢的夾衣單袍，腳上一雙半舊的黑土布千層底圓口鞋，麵色玉白，兩眼清亮，站在門口向黛玉望著。朱英正皺眉想著他是哪個---先前在王府朱英見過太多的王孫公子，現在寶玉又衣裝大變，確實讓人看他像個求功名的窮秀才了。紫鵑失口叫出聲來：“寶二爺。”朱英馬上想起他是誰來，眉頭展開笑了，說了一句那個推搡寶玉的護衛，對寶玉做了個往裏麵請的手式。那寶玉有些懵懵懂懂走進來，直接就在黛玉麵前坐了下來，兩眼還是盯著黛玉，也不吭聲。那邊兩個奶媽抱著萬兒，想走也不能走。就聽寶玉說了句：“妹妹看上去豐滿了些。”這句話未落，黛玉早已淚如雨下。
紫鵑也含了淚猶豫著問道：“二爺怎麽在這裏呢？二爺吃過飯沒有？”寶玉向紫鵑看了看答道：“我來還這家老板的棺材板兒錢，吃過了。”紫鵑有些擔心地問：“是，是太太沒了麽？”寶玉搖搖頭道：“不是太太，是薛蟠大哥。他去年秋後問了斬，就葬在這個鎮子邊上，要不是今兒寶姐姐提醒我，我都忘了還棺材錢的事。趕是今天可巧兒，在這裏遇見你們。”寶玉和紫鵑一問一答地說著，黛玉隻是擦著淚，一句話也沒有。寶玉沒有眼淚，嘴角有些苦笑道：“妹妹今天回來了，以後就不用回去了。看見妹妹身體很好，我也放心了，”黛玉這時才想起問：“寶姐姐好麽？舅母薛姨媽都好麽？”寶玉道：“她們都好。”說完沉默下來。
這時就聽得萬兒在旁邊哭將起來，兩個奶媽忙道：“世子爺是餓了，我們到車上去喂他。”黛玉點點頭，於是紫鵑向寶玉行禮告別，也和那兩個奶媽抱了孩子出去，自有兩個護衛也跟了去。寶玉見黛玉的目光尾隨著孩子離去，便笑笑說道：“妹妹也不讓我看看他。”黛玉才想起來，剛要讓他們回來，寶玉連忙阻止了道：“不要叫了，以後還沒有機會再見麽？”黛玉默然止住，心裏想著“有機會再見”的話。卻又聽寶玉道：“有一天夢到你，見你站在一個平平的房頂上哭，到處是大風，我真怕把你吹下來。我還覺得這夢太奇怪，後來我聽大嫂子說，蘭兒給她來信，說是你在那裏生了個男孩兒，我才知道夢都是反著的，夢裏哭自然是白日笑的。”黛玉低下眼睛歎了口氣，剛要說什麽，又聽寶玉冷幽幽地道：“寶姐姐也剛生了個女兒，前天出的滿月，我給她取了個名兒叫芊兒。”黛玉一聽，抬眼望了他，心裏有一百種味道交織著，思忖著他說的話：寶姐姐生了個女兒，好像那孩子和他無關一樣。又想那孩子的名字，就問：“是哪個字？”寶玉道：“草字頭下加個千萬的千字。”又問黛玉：“你兒子呢？”黛玉愣了一會兒，輕輕答道：“他小名叫萬兒。”寶玉聽了，兩眼呆呆的，說了句：“這名字好。”
兩個人都沉默了會兒，同時又都說了句：“你---”，寶玉就笑起來，黛玉也不好意思地笑了笑。寶玉道：“你不知道吧，如今湘雲妹妹也在我那裏住著。她在冀州的時候嫁了個姓魏的縣丞之子，人很俊俏，對雲妹妹也好，卻是個肺癆，剛嫁了半年多，那人就死了。那一家子就胡賴在雲妹妹身上，說她克夫，硬把她攆了出來。我得了信兒，專門跑到冀州接了她來。如今我們大家靠著宗祠裏那二十畝薄田也能維持生計。寶姐姐和環兒還在楊柳村那邊開了個棉花作坊，給軍隊做些棉衣，也有些進項。我是個無才無能的，有時到各村子裏教些蒙童認幾個字，聊以打發時光而已。”黛玉看著他，半天低聲道：“你不是無才無能，隻是錯生了時候，時候也錯待了你。”寶玉聽了，一下子湧出淚水來，自己用衣袖慢慢擦了，沒有說話。就聽黛玉有些哽咽地道：“我在大漠那邊，有一日也夢到你，和我說了些莫名其妙的話，後來你忽然撇下我就走了，我再也沒看到你。”寶玉用手輕撫著桌邊的一處凹坑，聽了這話，停了手，淚眼望向黛玉，半晌無話。
這時就聽雅間之外有些低低的人聲和腳步聲，黛玉抬眼一望，就見水溶站在門邊，凝神望著寶玉。寶玉麵向裏坐著，似乎覺察到身後的目光，便慢慢站起轉身，看到水溶，嘴角牽動了一下，身子跪了下去，道聲：“王爺。”水溶連忙伸手攙住他，微笑道：“好久沒見到你了，你可好？”寶玉道：“回王爺，我還好，多謝王爺搭救我們，又費心報明皇上賞還了我家宗祠土地，我們全家都在感念王爺的大恩大德。”水溶道：“這話說過了頭，本來你我兩家都是世交，應該相助的。更何況現在又成了親戚，若不是牽扯到眾多原因，自然還是應該多往來的。”說著，眼望向黛玉，黛玉臉上還含著悲傷，隻不接他的目光。寶玉笑著打岔道：“可巧今天在這裏碰到你們，我本來要走的，卻似乎聽見她們的聲音，近前來一看果然是她們。”又道：“恭喜王爺得了世子爺。”水溶聽了就嗬嗬笑起來道：“這要謝謝玉兒，多虧了她。我自然是心喜的，但是若得不著，有了她，我也一樣歡喜。”這話說完，黛玉的臉上紅若桃花，寶玉的臉卻煞白如紙。
水溶道：“來來來，咱們倆個浮一大白，也為這兩年沒見麵，也為了如今我們成了姻親。”說著就讓人送酒菜來。黛玉心裏亂亂紛紛，不覺就問道：“你不是吃過了麽？怎麽還---”就聽水溶和寶玉同時回答道：“這不是吃飯---”寶玉住了口，水溶也頓了一下，卻接著說道：“是飲酒，隻飲三杯，你不要擔心。”黛玉默然而坐，見酒菜端上來，水溶和寶玉二人皆端起了男人氣概，一人一大杯酒，仰頭喝下，然後酒菜略吃了一口，接著碰了第二杯。寶玉喝幹第二杯，臉色立時變成緋紅，擺手笑道：“我於喝酒上終究是平常，王爺知道我喜歡唱曲兒，我可不可以唱上一曲，以助酒興？”水溶笑道：“那自然好，隻不過---”寶玉明白過來，看了一眼黛玉笑道：“王爺不用擔心，我知道，我唱的和酒樓上的曲兒不同，沒有那些個東西，我隻是唱給王爺聽。”水溶點點頭：“以前你常來我府裏做客，我就看你酒量平平，但你們家的詩詞歌賦自和別家不同，很好，你且唱來聽聽。”
寶玉便將那隻假汝窯的酒碗放置麵前，執了一枝玉白色的筷子，丁丁當當敲了個過門，嘴裏輕輕唱了起來：
“等那三春已過，杏子結實又如何？
待這虛景兒燈滅，遙看了天青地闊。
說甚麽高樓大廈廣，繁花錦繡多？
到頭來，都把那饅頭落。
則看那，衰楊枯柳人蹤去，孤月殘風影相和。
更兼著，世人嘲譏冷笑多。
這的是：富貴貧寒皆由命，人來人往筵席過。
似這般，生生死死情劫我。
聞說道，西方寶樹喚婆娑，上結著長生果。”
寶玉剛唱完，就聽黛玉抽泣了一聲，淚落下來。水溶看著黛玉臉色一變，似傷心又似生氣，但慢慢地，他的眼色又泛起溫和愛憐的波光，伸手抓過黛玉的手，輕輕拍了拍。黛玉用絹子試了眼淚，水溶又倒給她一杯熱茶勸她喝下去。寶玉把這些看在眼裏，慢慢地微笑了。黛玉道：“你且不要管那些冷言冷語，人都要剛強活著。笑罵皆由人，寧折我不彎，你忘了以前我門前的那些杆竹子了麽？”水溶也道：“至於富貴貧窮，不在快活人生的信條裏，富貴不見得好，貧窮也有快樂的。還有，你若有什麽難處，盡可以去找我。”寶玉嗬嗬一笑：“你們都錯會我的意思了，我不怕別人說什麽，也不戀富貴，憎貧窮，我現在反而很歡喜，很心安。”水溶道：“我本來要和你多喝幾杯，隻因京都裏有要事緊急，我們就要去了，以後我和玉兒會請你到我府裏來，到時候我們再暢飲一番如何？”寶玉把第三杯酒和水溶叮當一碰，笑道：“到時候再說。”
這裏水溶也一飲而盡道：“我贈你一言：無人收廢帳，歸馬識殘旗。你若看見前麵還有路，千萬不要另走他途，隻管順著路來，必可以達到自己的目標。心靜人沉著，過去的隻管讓他過去，不要紀念那麽多。”寶玉點點頭：“多謝王爺教誨。”水溶微微一笑，牽住黛玉的手，也不和寶玉作別就往外走，黛玉邊走邊回過頭，看著寶玉，寶玉向她笑著點頭，眼裏含著閃閃的淚花。
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should upload soon...:)
Me too.
MIAO 說了可能等完稿後再貼.
I visited 瀟湘網, seems to be good. Can't find it in Tianya though.
1.MIAO MM我實在欽佩你的淡泊明誌. 堅決支持這裏眾JM的提議.請問我可以做什麽.
2. WAITING FOR CHAPTER 33.
我早早搬了小板凳坐這裏等著，嘿嘿嘿
Could not find it at tianya though.
Great! I have checked your link at 瀟湘網. We will help monitoring.
在天涯網上的博克地址是：http://www8.tianya.cn/index.asp?vitem=&idDefaultItem=0&idWriter
=11802461&Key=181482009
順便說一句，我還不大會在那裏發文章。我發現大家的文章是一塊兒往上發，不是一個章節一個章節地發，而且那裏的作品真的是太多了，發上去一會兒就不見了。國內人才多啊。
在瀟湘網上的地址是：http://read.xxsy.net/info/33261.html
這裏還好掌握些。
大家若是暑假回國，我還沒寫完的話，可以上這兩個地方去找我，我們又可以說話啦。
Please also tell us the sections you will publish at the two Web sites.
水姐姐盡管貼, 不理會他們的惡言惡語. 我們都支持你!!!
Support!
Jiajia is right. Please let us know and we'll follow to support you there.
"我最近會在瀟湘網和天涯網去試一下"
Please let us know when you do it. So that we could help monitoring the sites and gather information so as to decide the best strategy.
You will have to wait until 17...lol. Tuesday.
"大不了給他們個“F”,重修."
-Agree!!! We have a whole bunch of people here. datuzi Mei Mei makes me feel like debating :-) You are right. I do believe that we could handle any abuse.
罵人又算什麽？大不了給他們個“F”,重修.
不過，辯論的最高境界決不是罵人吵架的。
miaomiao 您先貼，我們走一步看一步。做最好的爭取，做最壞的打算。
妹妹們，千萬不可為我和他們爭論，他們會罵人的。我不願意讓你們為我受委屈。現在我已經經受了鍛煉，我不會再和他們過招了，讓他們打空拳好了。“隨爾去，任淹留。”網絡就是這樣，個人無力回天。
聽取你們的意見，我準備再回去，不過不在那個晉江了。我最近會在瀟湘網和天涯網去試一下。
謝謝你們，誠摯的感謝。
Mei Mei, many thanks for your strong support.
As a matter of fact, as I didn't know about the fight at Jin Jiang earlier, now thinking about it, we should go there to start more discussions. You know, how Dai Yu could have a new life. Of course, we shall do this only if Miao Mei Mei is fine with it.
"可是我寧可不紅也不願意讓人罵"
知道您淡泊名利，您寫黛玉不是為了紅或出名，是為了您心中的黛玉。但是，正是為了黛玉，您不覺得您應該讓更多的熱愛黛玉的人們圓這個心中的夢嗎？我們姐妹們都自願為了黛玉而論戰。您就在後方寫文章好了，我們姐妹們上場辯論去。辯論越多，關注的人越多，更多的人們會享受全新的黛玉。
"我們姐妹們組個團殺過去！"
Yes, captain! :-)
You don't have to fight with them. We will fight for you :-)
我想建議現在就把出來的部分登到國內的網站上去----已經那樣做啦，在國內的晉江原創網發了20回，後來自己撤下來，現在你到晉江評論上還可以找到罵我的幾篇文章。就像你說的我不理他們就好了，越描越黑。不過好像也隻有在大網站上發文才能表明了是自己寫的。
回複datuzi：前段時間看見國內有人盜用了20回，兩個名字都不認識，後來再找就沒找到。最近又看到國外某網站大規模盜用海外原創的作者的文章，我這個也在其中，也到32篇了。
網絡的虛幻實際上也是人世的現實，真有不合其心意立眉便罵的，我想平常生活中他們肯定是不會這樣做。在國內他們認為罵你的文就是抬舉你，一罵你就紅了，可是我寧可不紅也不願意讓人罵。有人為我說話，他們就說是我自說自話，是炒作。這裏環境清靜文明些，喜歡與理解我的親愛的讀者們一起交流。
我想有那些爭執的功夫不如靜下心寫文章。
妹妹們建議得對。MIAO妹妹，請把抄襲您的作品的網站告訴我們，我們去為您討公道：找網管，發帖，。。。您應該發動我們大家的力量，效果會來得快一些。
另外，您確實應該開始把您的作品發到國內網站上去。想想看，如果您吸引到1%的國內網站讀者，您的讀者群該會有多麽壯大！批評嗎，青菜蘿卜，各有所愛，很難有什麽東西滿足所有人的胃口。您是為喜歡黛玉自強的人們圓夢的。走自己的路，讓別人去說吧。再說了，下次有人敢罵您，請悄悄話告訴我們，我們姐妹們組個團殺過去！
Half is better than nothing. Please.........
大家覺得這個辦法如何？我隻能想到這個點子了。
support!
What an ugly person he/she is! Miao, could you please let us know your story was posted in which website, we can tell the truth to the readers there, and let that guy be ashamed of him/herself for doing that
"前段時間看見有網站貼俺的文，就是把俺的名兒改了一下，姐妹朋友們有啥好法子教教我防止這類事件發生。"
誰有好主意？我覺得至少，miaomiao要給那個網管寫信，告訴他們那時沒經過你同意的，更沒有授權。必須道歉，或撤稿，或你重新貼。
關於春假，我們還是等17日看全章吧。別打擾您的思路。唉，反正大半的日子都熬過了。。。
Please please please...Waiting desperately.
要不我先把寫好的半部貼上？看到大家這樣熱心地等待，俺心裏覺得很不好意思。
前段時間看見有網站貼俺的文，就是把俺的名兒改了一下，姐妹朋友們有啥好法子教教我防止這類事件發生。
嗨，這個假期自己也沒輕鬆了，反而讓你們---也沒輕鬆，真對不起。
"看到wumiao在海外原創回了幾個貼，還以為這裏指不定也有驚喜了呢"
那是miaomiao在散步。。。
這個日子啊，怎麽就這麽難過餒？
這個等待啊，怎麽就這麽熬人餒？
這個。我說啊。。怎麽居然還有4天多餒？！！！
4 days and a half :-(
17日，下完課就可以看啦, backcount: 4 days left！
-母親們的“通病” :-) 黛玉活過來那些時候，真是一個很好的增進他們夫妻感情的機會。兩個人全心全意地為對方擔心，黛玉懷著7個半月的身孕，站在房頂上遙望半個多小時，難產差點死掉 (賈蘭跑去前線隻是最後一根稻草);水溶立下一生中最大的血誓.何其感人!
水溶其實很可以利用那個時候和黛玉談談,但是他太愛黛玉,隻是寵著黛玉,理解她初做母親的心。
Miao Mei Mei will spend this week with her family, as her two kids are having spring break. Also, she really deserves a vacation.
If you feels difficult for this week, try to post your comments here. Share with us your thoughts. That will be fun; also making this week easier :-)
“血誓” 那章真是揪人心肺。黛玉 醒來後或滿月之後她二人似乎就應該談一談， 讓彼此了解自己因為牽掛對方多月來所受的煎熬。雖然黛玉一下“全心都在萬兒身上”，但是“與水溶再攜手回房去”的多個晚上， 還是應該有機會的。也許真讓他們談過(或讓我們聽到)，我們對他們的信心會更大 (especially just after reading this chapter), 也不會有這麽多討論了。
datuzi 說得好: "miaomiao 的心思和文章 are very unique." 我隻有佩服的份。
我是100% Daiyu and miao's fan. 對水溶，自然愛屋及烏,他就是黛玉現在的幸福所在.
cannot agree more.
不是說水溶不好,而是說這兩段愛情各自不同,是一個女人成長過程中的經曆和自生的變化的反映.愛上水溶, 不等於對寶玉可以從此一筆勾銷,怎麽可能?不是為了寶玉,DAIYU也不會在玉舍住那麽久, 而給了水溶機會. 愛上了水溶, 不等於不可以保留這樣一個知己.
------說得對。無論黛玉多愛水溶都好，水溶取代不了寶玉，同樣寶玉也不能，他們在黛玉的人生中各自扮演著不同的角色。
“她當然不會再選擇寶玉,但是會在心裏為他留下永恒的位子. 而且他不會再獲得幸福了,這更讓她難過”------如果寶玉是幸福的，我相信此時的寶黛相會將是另一種光景。情願寶玉永遠生活在自己的夢中，頭腦清醒了，心卻開始滴血。有妻有女又如何？幸福自他娶寶釵哪一刻開始就不屬於他。他的幸福是需要與黛玉共同編織，但這時的黛玉已經甚麽都不能給他，他已經是別人的妻子和母親。黛玉就是清楚地知道這一點，所以她才覺得更加難過。
另外，覺得離開大觀園的黛玉，不會再選擇寶玉，跟愛不愛寶玉沒有關係。當初是賈家遺棄了她，選擇寶釵的。黛玉是驕傲的，“呼之則來，揮之則去”不是她的性格。她選擇以另外一種方式來愛他，就是回到南邊，陪在父母“身邊”，守著寶玉的諾言，讓一切成為最好美的回憶。至於後來愛上水溶，是她始料不及的。
讚同DAIYU幫助水瑩和清泰.
"隻想說任何人都是經不起一切考驗的，哪怕心裏有真愛,如果老是沒有希望，心也會淡的。"
sissidream MM, you are completely 100% Shui Rong's fan now.
"感情這個東西，有時說不明白。"
Agree! That might explain why Dai Yu was so attracted to Bao Yu.
"她還要幫助別人走愛情的道路"
I guess Shui Ying. Shui Ying is going to get married soon remember? in 1-2 months, it's time to make a bomb!
"隻想說任何人都是經不起一切考驗的，哪怕心裏有真愛,如果老是沒有希望，心也會淡的。"
Agree. Hope this would not happen on Shui Rong.
Also, Dai Yu almost died when she worried for Shui Rong. I don't believe it is not love. Just she herself didn't realize it. Shui Rong should feel it, though.
"她還要幫助別人走愛情的道路"
Hope this someone else doesn't mean Bao Yu. If she helps Shui Ying, making Shui Ying realizes how much Qing Tai loves her (maybe she never realized that before), that would be sweet. But then how about her fiance?
MMs, want to join in my guess?
謝謝miaomiao.
隻想說任何人都是經不起一切考驗的，哪怕心裏有真愛,如果老是沒有希望，心也會淡的。
黛玉一定會繼續走自己的路，她還要幫助別人走愛情的道路，隻是：前途是光明的，道路是曲折的。感情這個東西，有時說不明白。17號那天11點我給你們答複。
感謝大家，鞠躬。
Love this one!
So let me say it out loud here again: "How about let 水溶 give up finally and let 黛玉 and 寶玉 both go back to the paradise forever..." and how about never let Daiyu love Shurong full hearted? and how about they (Dai and Shuirong) will never happily live together?
非常同意,MIAO這段描述得非常好.黛玉如今對寶玉和對水溶的情是不一樣的.黛玉的表現並不會傷及對水溶的感情.水溶也最終明白了.
謝謝MIAO把水溶寫得如此通情達理.很感謝終於有人給了林妹妹一個知冷知熱的保護傘!
>>>"mm是在說氣話吧!"
You are right! I hate to see that happen. miaomiao 的心思和文章 are very unique, she won't take the ending that somebody says it out.
While I understand all the discussion that we are having here on those three, I still feel that Dai Yu overacted a little bit, which makes Shui Rong's love stands out. When looking ahead, how I wish Dai Yu and Shui Rong could open heart to each other earlier, definitely NOT in the last chapter!
mm是在說氣話吧!
黛玉如今若真能拋夫棄子，那就真是仙而非人了！可是既然來到凡間， 就多享受一下凡人之樂又何妨！ 不然真的隻好和寶玉到天上去。因為他二人連一同出家也是不可能的。
很讚同擁林及萬年月等的觀點。 寶玉這樣的男人，論才不及黛釵，論責任感不及自己的親姐妹元春探春， 還不是一心一意隻愛黛玉，他們的故事出了大觀園，怎樣繼續？
MM太偏激了.誰的初戀不是銘心刻骨,何況是大觀園裏這段曠世情緣? 兩玉之間的過去的深沉的愛會讓他們成為永生的知己.這是建立在共同的思想基礎和兩小無猜的青少年生活之上的.和對水溶不同.
不是說水溶不好,而是說這兩段愛情各自不同,是一個女人成長過程中的經曆和自生的變化的反映.愛上水溶, 不等於對寶玉可以從此一筆勾銷,怎麽可能?不是為了寶玉,DAIYU也不會在玉舍住那麽久, 而給了水溶機會. 愛上了水溶, 不等於不可以保留這樣一個知己.
我非常理解DAIYU的動情.他們的愛情不是自己死亡, 而是命運作弄後的犧牲品.如果不抄家而他們能在一起,想必也幸福.
世界上沒有完美的東西,現在DAIYU才終於明白,她要得到和放棄什麽.她當然不會再選擇寶玉,但是會在心裏為他留下永恒的位子. 而且他不會再獲得幸福了,這更讓她難過.
藕短絲連,發HU情,止HU禮,這裏表現得非常恰當.讚.
Can't agree more with datuzi about Daiyu's decision of getting married. It's completely clear nobody forced her into it. And I can't see the motivation behind her entering this marriage if not for love, because I can't imagine how she could sepreate her soul from body. So how can she still loves BaoYu? (In Gone with the Wind, Scarlett married Rhett Butler for his money, and she never tried to hide this. That explained why she could still love Ashley after becoming Rhett's wife.) If she still loves BaoYu, she should stay single to wait for her chance to become BaoYu's wife.
Three people in a marriage will be too crowded, period. Any decent person can only love one person at a time. '一個LG和一個情人' scenario only means the cheating wife doesn't want to leave the money, social status or other benefits coming with the marriage.
About BaoYu, I have to borrow 萬年月MM's comment from her article:'一個隻會風花雪月，無病呻吟的假寶玉，根本就是對社會、對任何人都毫無益處的.' 寶玉不是曹雪芹. He never wants to take any responsibility. I will not forget that BaoYu caused 金釧的死 and he fled away from the scene.
"還是覺得對水溶太殘忍。本來他們經曆了這麽多， 雖然“衷情” 似乎總隻有他一人在表，但黛玉動情的表現的描述也不算太少， 絕不會想到她會如此失態。 她不是從 “百合”一節起就要走自己的路， 過自己的生活了麽？"
Agree! I even feel a little bit disappointed somehow after reading this chapter. 黛玉 was very confused, and she met 寶玉 BEFORE and 寶玉 is recovered. Now I almost lose confidence in 水溶 after they shared great difficulites and joys in northwest.
How about let 水溶 give up finally and let 黛玉 and 寶玉 both go back to the paradise forever... sigh
說真的,匆匆忙忙,迫不急待的讀了第一遍,心一下緊了：林妹妹如此不能忘情，看來要全心愛上水溶太難; 這樣一來我們盼她真正幸福快樂的希望不是要落空了麽？
仔細拜讀各位留言，真是大有所獲，同意寶玉是要出家，我第一遍硬是沒看出來！謝謝！這樣也就說得過去了。
還是覺得對水溶太殘忍。本來他們經曆了這麽多， 雖然“衷情” 似乎總隻有他一人在表，但黛玉動情的表現的描述也不算太少， 絕不會想到她會如此失態。 她不是從 “百合”一節起就要走自己的路， 過自己的生活了麽？我還以為寶玉已成為妹妹心底一個美好而心酸的回憶了呢！ 再一次不得不對妙妹妹的心思和文章佩服！
總覺得現在真要讓林妹妹幸福，隻能讓他們夫妻心靈相通，生死以共。妙， 什麽時候才能再讓他們互訴一回衷腸，真正“互訴”啊！ 可別讓我們等到最後一節啊！
感謝WUMIAO的一枝妙筆，讓水溶在短短一年時間裏（頂不了天上一天吧），贏得了眾多FANS。現在包括寶哥哥在內，都祝願他成功到底。不過他先天不足，後天又落後寶哥哥十幾年，雖然占居有利地形，多努力栽培還是應該的。水溶的廣大FANS們，飲水思源一下，寶哥哥正落難，目前議論他能不能養活林妹妹，有沒用，會不會掙銀子，不合適。至與濁還是清， 跟寶釵一起伺候寶玉,更扯不上。 俺算是理解了，林妹妹落著淚，對寶哥哥道：“你且不要管那些冷言冷語，人都要剛強活著。笑罵皆由人，寧折我不彎，你忘了以前我門前的那些杆竹子了麽？”.....
俺再八卦一哈，水溶的兩個妾不也死了瘋了，他還是個王爺呢。寶哥哥沒那麽多曆史使命吧。這是命和無奈.
DAIYU又何嚐不是這樣.
他是那個時代的反叛兒, 是眾多姐妹眼中的英雄,保護神哩 ---
他是打心眼裏愛護著大觀園的女兒，但他的保護隻是精神上的，實質上他誰也保護不了，金釧跳井死了、司棋和晴雯被趕了出去。他隻能偒心和流淚。
"Still spent too much time typing Chinese."
Yeah, me too. Need to recover Chinese input first before I could get back to discussion. These two days every time I tried to join in, and then gave up. I need a big chunk of time before I could type in all Chinese word. Tried WU BI today, forgot a lot :-(
如果掙錢養家是濁世，我實在是不對寶玉有什麽恭維的。三十六計，走為上計，誰不會？
相反的，我到敬佩水溶的出濁世而不染。
黛玉有了愛和富貴，有什麽不好不夠的嗎？難道隻有愛才是最高尚的嗎?
寶玉一句"女孩兒是水做的"，比”婦女能頂半邊天“還厲害，讓無數大觀園裏的小姐丫頭”競折腰“，也讓後來的姐妹信心百倍！
如果可以把感情分成精神的和世俗的，黛玉可以毫不費勁地找到他們。
黛玉和寶玉情深義重，為何又嫁給水溶？同意jiajia分析的。試想賈家已倒，隻要黛玉堅決不同意水溶，她心裏明明白白（可不像寶玉糊裏糊塗娶了寶釵），黛玉是有可能等到再嫁給寶玉的。王夫人會不同意？她肯定同意，因為黛玉救了她。黛玉可以做側妃，為什麽不可以跟寶釵一起伺候寶玉？她為何不把未來押在正在康複的寶玉身上，而是放在她隻認識幾個月的水溶？
走出大觀園後，種種事端，黛玉開始把寶玉當作她未了的心願了，她可能不會意識到usefulness,但她親手給水溶一個愛的機會。誰也沒有逼她嫁人的，是黛玉自己決定重新生活的。
--八、聽琴： ”黛玉冷冷道：“我為他，淚流幹了，名聲也出去了，把該做的做完，也就不欠什麽了。”
--十六、百合： “如今我已經不再埋怨東風了，更不自嗟，活一天，我便活出我的樣子來，活不了，忍淹留，我自憑爾去。”
但我總覺得寶黛讓人感覺餘情未了，是因為他們的情意真正是很純潔美好的（也是溫室裏的）。黛玉夢見寶玉也是因為心願未了的。所以黛玉遲遲沒有發現自己對水溶的感情轉變。衷心希望miao大人讓黛玉從身心上愛上水溶，真不希望從這裏看到”憂傷中的快樂“。
p/s Still spent too much time typing Chinese.
說出了我的心裏話,為寶玉心酸難過.說了喜歡DAIYU：“你不是無才無能，隻是錯生了時候，時候也錯待了你。”評價他的話,
同意.
剛回來讀了32章, 又見到各位妹妹的的評論,精彩的很呢.
初讀紅樓是卅年前的事, 那時就喜歡黛玉和寶玉, "寧為玉碎,不為瓦全"(maio, 這裏,俺為妙玉打不平, 她也是這類的,怎會苟且偷生淪為小妾?.不過俺明白著呢,這是紅樓外的故事麽),俺為他們流了多少淚呢
寶玉咋NO USE 了,他是那個時代的反叛兒, 是眾多姐妹眼中的英雄,保護神哩. 沒錯, 他不愛老腐子們,他愛眾多姐姐妹妹, 俺就愛他"女孩兒是水做的"這句.
看maio 這章, 這倆玉還是夢中都有你我的呢, 萬兒,芊兒, 多好啊. miao 一定會有文章為這第二代的吧? 俺喜歡這節. 可也為了寶玉心酸流淚,他一定不可以與這汙世同存的.
是這樣,喜歡的人,就希望她過得好,至少能配上她的才華.如同李紈在珠蘭一章裏說的,我早說你是個有福的，你那時在家裏就不明白。你心底外貌才氣都是老天賜的，若得不到最好的人，不說我們，就連老天爺也傷心的
4). yeah, just like our author. Working in a restaurant during day time, and writing this fictioin at night.
Don't get me wrong. 我欽佩作者的才華。我想如果她可以不工作，天天在家引詩做畫，豈不更好？所以我希望黛玉還是和水溶在一起。
寶玉是寫不出石頭記的。他是一個如果衣食不能憂的人。有錢還好，如果無錢，就出家。就現代人看來（起碼我看來），不是仙風道骨，而是不負責任。
女孩子，男朋友可以是壞男孩（當然寶玉不壞，隻是叛逆），嫁人還是得是好男人。我想黛玉潛意思就是如此。
寶玉咋NO USE 了， 去寫《石頭記》， 永遠活在紅迷的心裏。
"在現實生活中，還是水溶這樣的男人吃得香"
水溶迄今為至，不就給了林妹妹一點人間的愛受和富貴嘛。也附帶了多少富貴的精神壓力，為了追求精神自由，還要跑到大西北。 問題是林妹妹屬於仙界，和我們人間的人思想不一樣。窮點咋了，不行就回仙界唄。
水溶身上有那麽多的羈袢，哼哼, 好好努力吧。
回複jiajia07的評論:
"To date we have already got 7 pages of discussions for this chapter........."
氣喘地說，俺有點跟不上了，決定留一級。
still cannot install. But sevenforks.com is better than inputking. and jiajia might try to use 五筆字型 there. Thanks a bunch.
在設置裏麵把你的email地址輸入進去，應該就可以。
另外，除了google的拚音輸入法以外，還有一個online Chinese input tool，http://www.sevenforks.com，用這個你什麽都不用安裝，而且還可以選擇全拚，雙拚，和五筆字型輸入法，好像有一位網友問過在哪裏可以找到五筆字型輸入法，這裏就有。那jiajia的電腦不能安裝任何中文輸入軟件的話（沒有記錯吧，是jiajia吧？），也可以試試這個網上的工具，不過電腦再死機可別怪我呀。嗬嗬。
《紅樓夢》我讀得真是稀裏糊塗，一直以為“香融金穀酒，花媚玉堂人”是黛玉寫給元妃的呢。---
mm，你沒記錯啊！隻是我覺得是水溶將“花媚玉堂人”引申為對黛玉的描寫。
Bao Yu is of no use in real life. He only lives on the wealthy life his family gave to him. So he was enjoying playing with many many girls in the garden.
Shui Rong, on the other hand, took the responsibility for serving his country since 20 years old. He is much respectful.
同意！的確，他們倆是很不同類型的男人，寶玉是個大不透的大男孩，他很簡單，隻希望守著林妹妹，永遠生活在沒有風雨的大觀園裏。
但水溶卻不一樣，他在朝廷打滾近10年，年紀輕輕便有今日的地位，不是單靠父蔭、和母親的庇護，還有更多的是自己的真本領，文武全才、有勇有謀，所以這個男人並不簡單。在文中大家看得最多的是他溫柔多情的一麵，對妻兒溫柔體貼（隻限玉兒和萬兒），對母親孝順、對妹妹愛護有加。但政治是無情的，心慈手軟的人絕不適合玩政治，所以他應該還有另一麵，可能在稍後的宮廷鬥爭中，就能見到。
在現實生活中，還是水溶這樣的男人吃得香。
其實感情這東西,不是1加1的數學.命運幫DAIYU做出抉擇,而非愛情.
2.水溶當然直到抄家才認識的DAIYU,之前是仰慕而向往,盡力搜羅關於她的信息,也屬正常.BAOYU再傻,未必會對外人傾吐自己的感情隱私,畢竟要為DAIYU的名聲著想.可能酒後稍微流露一些愛意,對DAIYU自然比對別的JM更加推崇,水溶傻瓜就陷進去了. 那個時代,女子無才便是德,有個才女,哪個高明的男人不愛呢?
3.這裏想到一個漏洞.水溶隻比DAIYU大八歲,不可能和DAIYU的父親生前有任何交往.所以前麵DAIYU的某些關於他是父親故交的推測很荒謬,請MIAOMEIMEI怎樣改一改.
4.雖然大家都愛DAIYU,想給她一個好的結局,總還是感到失落.這樣的女孩子,在那個社會裏,是沒有出路的.所以要她生存下去,隻能變成寶釵.無奈ING.如果生在今天,該是如何活色生香的精彩.
《紅樓夢》我讀得真是稀裏糊塗，一直以為“香融金穀酒，花媚玉堂人”是黛玉寫給元妃的呢。
--bye, see you folks tomorrow. (zzzz...)
Nice 3 comments regarding "就聽水溶和寶玉同時回答道：...".
I guess I am wrong. In , Bao Yu only likes a few men. One of them is 水溶. 水溶 is perfect from the beginning.
"反正水溶很早就留心黛玉"
-Ding!
"Chapter 4”林姑娘的病一直都沒有好麽?還是咳嗽的這樣厲害”
In fact, he knows it very well."
-Ding! Wonder how Shui Rong knows about it? Kind of suspect that Bao Yu would have told him anything about Dai Yu. Then how did he know about that?
"哪能”光知道名字”? 至少還知道林妹妹的病。"
---lol. Nice comment!
"說實話跟黛玉其它的詩詞比起來，“香融金穀酒，花媚玉堂人”都算不上頂好的，也不知水溶為何記住了它。"
--Because he was thinking and guessing and imagining, "我就想你會是個什麽樣的人呢？" Then, "後來看到你，嗬嗬，好個花媚玉堂人，不隻花媚，更具玉質。我就想，就是你了，就是你了。" Seems that his original imagination was quite right :-)
""關於水溶識寶玉的目的，如果加上陰謀論的話，那就會變得很可怕"
Not necessarily. If we like someone's work (like Dai Yu's poems), we might want to get close to his/her friend. A little 陰謀, not that 可怕 :-)
“香融金穀酒，花媚玉堂人”都算不上頂好的，也不知水溶為何記住了它。---或許應該說流傳出去的，水溶都記住了。或者是水溶將“花媚玉堂人”當成是黛玉的寫照。
水溶第一次見黛玉是抄家的時候嗎？---印象之中應該是，之前隻有北靜王妃等幾個王妃夫人見過她們幾個姐妹。連薛蟠這個遠親，都是在寶玉病時，乘混亂見過。
"關於水溶識寶玉的目的，如果加上陰謀論的話，那就會變得很可怕，還好這文叫“林黛玉和北靜王”，北靜王是忠的，不要怕，不要怕"
Right! He used to like Bao Yu very much and persistently until his marriage with Dai Yu. 水溶正麵說是很成熟，反麵說就是成府很深了。It's great that miaomiao made him an idol here.
反正水溶很早就留心黛玉：
Chapter 4”林姑娘的病一直都沒有好麽?還是咳嗽的這樣厲害”
In fact, he knows it very well.
chapter 21 "我以前光知道你的名字，你們在賈妃省親的時候做的那些詩都流傳出來，那時我看見你的那首叫什麽《世外仙源》的有一句：香融金穀酒，花媚玉堂人，"
哪能”光知道名字”? 至少還知道林妹妹的病。
說實話跟黛玉其它的詩詞比起來，“香融金穀酒，花媚玉堂人”都算不上頂好的，也不知水溶為何記住了它。
chapter 21 “我就想你會是個什麽樣的人呢？後來看到你，"
水溶第一次見黛玉是抄家的時候嗎？俺２０最近一次看《紅樓夢》是２０年前了，誰給補補課？先謝謝了。
黛玉和“玉”字很有緣，出征時碰到妙玉，回京時遇到寶玉，這大觀園的三塊玉，雖同為金玉之質，但結局卻各異。
關於黛玉對水溶稱呼的變化，可能就是她內心的變化，由最初的救命恩人“王爺”，變成如今和自己平等的“你”。西北一行，沒有了王府的繁文縟節，有的隻是“老爺、夫人”，在那裏他們是一對平常的小夫妻。
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黛玉心裏亂亂紛紛，不覺就問道：“你不是吃過了麽？怎麽還---”就聽水溶和寶玉同時回答道：“這不是吃飯---”寶玉住了口，水溶也頓了一下，卻接著說道：“是飲酒，隻飲三杯，你不要擔心。”
1. 水溶和寶玉都對黛玉情有獨鍾，說明他們都是同一類人，連回答都是一模一樣，同時也恭喜水溶，證明他已經和寶玉看齊，提升到知己的層麵。
2. 水溶和寶玉都想成為黛玉最關心的人，水溶的反應很自然，畢竟他們是兩夫妻，但寶玉就有些反應不過來，還當在以前的大觀園，還好他停得快。不然的話，場麵就會很尷尬。
3. 寶玉住了口，水溶接著道。如果這是場比賽，是否表示兩個資質相近選手，開始時勢均力敵，後來一個無奈退出，另一個堅持到底成為最終的勝利者。
I know exactly what you mean. I think you made a very fun joke. I like it :-)
Thanks a lot for clarifying the "joke" I made about buying the paintings and poems. That was exactly what I mean. You posted so many comments and I am lost tracking it.:)
---"黛玉抬眼一望，就見水溶站在門邊，凝神望著寶玉。"
----Will Dai Yu have some reaction?
Yes, she might feel embarrassed, as miao pointed out later '黛玉心裏亂亂紛紛".
Will Dai Yu have some reaction?
So Dai Yu doesn't need to 回到天上去了?
"寶玉微笑道：“我等著你，咱們一會兒都要到天上去的，別忘了。”"
"回頭看寶玉，身後早已經空無一人。四野茫茫，隻有那一痕藍色平線橫亙天際，懸著半片薄如紙片般的落日。黛玉心慌亂如麻，身心象撕裂了般苦痛。寶玉呢？他怎麽可以自己走了呢？他不管我了麽？"
"正這時忽然就聽有人在自己背後笑嘻嘻又低低地說了句：“為了他你再回去吧---”說著用力在她背後一推，"
-Who pushed Dai Yu? Is it Bao Yu? "為了他你再回去吧", this who is Shui Rong? Since Shui Rong is preying for Dai Yu to come back?
"黛玉 always addresses 水溶 "你" instead of "王爺" now"
Agree! Thanks for pointing out.
"黛玉讓水溶牽了手，和紫鵑抱著孩子走進一個名叫“晉升”的客棧。"
How could 黛玉 do this, carry Wan Er with 紫鵑? shall we switch "和" and '讓",---
"黛玉和水溶牽了手，讓紫鵑抱著孩子走進一個名叫“晉升”的客棧。"
Did you folks notice that 黛玉 always addresses 水溶 "你" instead of "王爺" now? She is changing, but she does not have chance to sit down and think about it.
"我覺得此次見麵促成了寶玉出家。寶玉可能一直有出家的念頭，但他有牽掛，那就是他的林妹妹."
Agree, now Bao Yu leaves in peace.
Also include the love between Bao Yu and Dai Yu. This sentence is to Bao Yu, also to Dai Yu.
"那寶刀是不是完成曆史使命啦？還是紫娟拿著它嗎？"
Second. Waiting to see.
"有趣的是，黛玉吃軟不吃硬 （總被真情熔化），水溶吃硬不吃軟（怕死了那剪刀）。 miaomiao是不是又得讓這小倆口談談啦？"
Cannot agree with you more! "黛玉吃軟不吃硬，水溶吃硬不吃軟" Really reflects the situation between the two. "黛玉情堅似鋼鐵，也幾乎被這個男人的眼淚熔化成繞指柔", 水溶"聽罷，頹然坐下，喃喃道：“姑娘有此烈性，我原該知道", and "怕死了那剪刀".
That's the only way the two can finally get together, in their soul level. This is really how convincing Dai Yu could change her love to Shui Rong eventually, even though "黛玉情堅似鋼鐵".
"miaomiao是不是又得讓這小倆口談談啦?" datuzi Mei Mei is so sweet! Miao Mei Mei, maybe we would see some deep talk between them two in the near future?
"我覺得此次見麵促成了寶玉出家。寶玉可能一直有出家的念頭，但他有牽掛，那就是他的林妹妹."
Your thoughts triggered my more thoughts, thanks :-)
After this meeting, Bao Yu knows that his 林妹妹 really doesn't belong to him any longer. Before, maybe, I say maybe, still deep in his heart, he might still dream of getting back with 林妹妹. (I guess everyone may have the same hope under similar situations.) He definitely knows how deeply his 林妹妹 and him loves with EACH OTHER.
But now, as Shui Rong has expressed so clearly in front of him, his 林妹妹 has become 水溶的玉兒，"林妹妹已完全不屬於自己了". Moreover, 水溶 really loves 黛玉 so much.
So for Bao Yu, there is nothing in this world that would keep him here. All his hope, his dream, his everything (Dai Yu), his love, don't belong to him any longer. Then why he would still stay in this world. There is only one way in front of him. He is out of any hope. It's time for him to leave.
記得海棠花妹妹曾經評水溶“很man"，他現在既要麵對宮裏的不測風雲，又要牽掛黛玉（及兒子），不簡單啊。
有趣的是，黛玉吃軟不吃硬 （總被真情熔化），水溶吃硬不吃軟（怕死了那剪刀）。 miaomiao是不是又得讓這小倆口談談啦？
而且， miaomiao的寫作一直很注意細節的（當然現在寫得急，不能麵麵俱到）。她把黛玉，水溶和寶玉安排在這裏（離京城不遠）偶然相逢，肯定有涵義。一來正如我們討論的，把三人的感情歸路做個鋪墊；另外是不是也暗示著接下來的宮裏家裏的明爭暗鬥跟以前沒有多大關係了呢？
那寶刀是不是完成曆史使命啦？還是紫娟拿著它嗎？
"他想通過寶玉，對他那位才貌雙全的表妹多些認識。"
Agree with this layer. But at that time, everyone knew that Dai Yu would marry Bao Yu. I kind of doubt Shui Rong would use this method to get close to Dai Yu. But Dai Yu's outstanding talent might be one important reason why he looked Bao Yu even with more appreciation.
Since Miao Mei Mei hid a clue in that chapter, I guess sooner or later Miao Mei Mei will explain, in some way.
"水溶對黛玉的一舉一動，他都看在眼裏，沒有嫉妒、沒有眼淚，隻有微笑。"
I guess 嫉妒 still exists. But Shui Rong is a real man. He knows that Dai Yu and Bao Yu's love story happened even before he met Dai Yu. Also, Dai Yu has been treating him better and better. Especially, Dai Yu worried for him so much while he was in battle, which almost killed herself (with the baby). He has nothing much to be jealous about. But of course, he is a man, he loves Dai Yu so much and he wants to be the only man in Dai Yu's heart. That's very understandable. So he chooses to give Dai Yu more understanding and time and space. He believes that his love will make Dai Yu loves him only, eventually.
"而且他也看到水溶小小的“醋意”，所以他要唱支曲兒給水溶聽，告訴水溶自己將要走的路。"
Agree with 海棠花 Mei Mei's explanation. Bao Yu wants to release Shui Rong.
"Inputking.com has Chinese input system online"
Thanks for your information. I just tried a little. Seems not a good input system. Pretty rudimentary. Just my primitive impression. I will try to find a way as soon as possible.
Regarding ""selling paintings, poems? 恐怕水溶把那些字畫都買了吧"
實話說，俺看了不太舒服."
I think what datuzi Mei Mei wanted to say is that, Shui Rong loves Dai Yu. If Dai Yu married Bao Yu, he would "把畫都買了", trying his best to help. Although I don't know how many guys in the current world (or just in the world) would have that broad heart to do that). Most likely, they feel sad, and turn to other things. Nobody can blame them. Because they don't have to hurt their own hearts all the time. If one cannot get his/her loved one, he/she needs to search for his/her life.
Cannot agree more with your "活得清清白白". Not only Dai Yu, Shui Rong also 活得清清白白. He even risks his life to fight for his country. Nobody can deny that he 活得清清白白.
"水溶再能，玉兒現在還是個副老婆，還得不時受點氣，還要連累被暗殺。他也沒辦法."
He was married, signed by the king, before he even met Dai Yu. Also, his wife is the queen's niece. Yes, he still owes Dai Yu, and that's Miao Mei Mei's job to solve the problem for all of us! :-) In general, that's not Shui Rong's fault. At least, since Dai Yu married Shui Rong, he has shown to everyone he ONLY loves Dai Yu.
－－ "selling paintings, poems? 恐怕水溶把那些字畫都買了吧"
俺本意不是指富貴品賤的，想說水溶對黛玉的包容。當玩笑看吧。
完全同意“活得清清白白”。我一直覺得無論富貴品賤都可以“淡泊以明誌，寧靜以致遠”的，生活的經曆可以讓人趴下去，也能讓人站起來。
－－“ 水溶再能，玉兒現在還是個副老婆，還得不時受點氣，還要連累被暗殺。他也沒辦法。瞧他牛的，把畫都買了。”
哈哈，同意！ 這個問題就交給 wumiao大人了！
"我想黛玉是已經愛上水溶了, 在前麵的百合一回已經完全明確"
I agree that Dai Yu has started to fall in love with Shui Rong. However, I think even up to now, she herself was not that sure, or she never really analyzes her feelings.
"在前麵的百合一回已經完全明確" - I have some different opinions :-) I think at that chapter, Dai Yu is:
(1) very touched by Shui Rong's love, "才知道一個男人竟然也可以哭成這樣", "黛玉情堅似鋼鐵，也幾乎被這個男人的眼淚熔化成繞指柔" (please pay attention to the word 幾乎 Miao Mei Mei used), "黛玉的心迷朦狂亂".
(2) very moved by Shui Rong's strength, "黛玉聽了，心情難以形容，原來婚姻在至情至真的人那裏也可以自己作主的，那座看不見的大山原也可以翻過去。" Please pay attention to "原來婚姻在至情至真的人那裏也可以自己作主的". From experience with Bao Yu, Dai Yu thought 婚姻 cannot 自己作主, even Bao Yu, the guy, cannot. However, Shui Rong "至情至真", he "可以自己作主". It was the first time Dai Yu knows this possibility, especially this was the forever pain in her heart - she almost decided to commit suiside because of it. Now she sees that Shui Rong "可以自己作主". Right away her heart was convinced.
(3) was pushed by the environment. Shui Rong's concerns are exactly what she is worrying about, "不願意再讓她來羞辱你，也怕別人會另樣兒看你". Dai Yu is a BING QING YU JIE DE GUI ZU NV ZI, Shui Rong's wife insulted her very much. To some degree, marrying Shui Rong is the only road for her, as she said, she tried to kill herself, she tried to flee away, but neither worked.
The most important thing is definitely Shui Rong's true love. It is not only just from his word, Dai Yu did accidentally hear Shui Rong's words in front of the wall. And she already knows that, as in Chapter "十、玉成", "黛玉心中明白，原來他經常到這裏來隔牆聽黛玉彈琴，怪不得那天他能說出自己那首剛譜出的《鳳凰涅磐》的意思來。") As "當晚紫鵑連連長歎道：“王爺是真心的...” Dai Yu is very clear and certain about Shui Rong's heart and his love to her.
In addition, In Chapter "十三、滄桑", "黛玉聞言大吃一驚，自己孤陋寡聞，也從不打聽，原來北靜王有這麽大的魅力和來曆，而北靜王水溶也從未在她麵前多說過任何的話。對比之下，黛玉心裏又對他添了一份敬佩之情，更不用說先前救出寶玉的感激之意，再加上當日和今日的救命之恩，如此種種，讓黛玉心緒繁亂，精神不寧。"
And, finally, in Chapter "九、欲絕", Dai Yu promised Shui Rong if he could save Bao Yu, "“我願為奴婢，到王府伺候王爺。”" Although Shui Rong never threatened her because of this, in Dai Yu's heart, she owes Shui Rong. "如王爺肯幫忙，黛玉願肝腦塗地，絕不辭也。”", "黛玉道：“我已經說了，王爺若能幫助把寶玉等人放出，我的話一定做數。”". Dai Yu never eats her words.
So, based on all of these reasons, Dai Yu agreed upon Shui Rong's proposal. I kind of think at that moment, Dai Yu didn't fall in love with Shui Rong, YET.
I tried to install '穀歌拚音輸入法'. It did not come up when I use google. Is it because my operation system is in English? Any ideas?
回複jiajia:
Inputking.com has Chinese input system online, you do not have to install. Check it out and see if you like it.
"麻煩大家盡量用中文好不好？"
Sorry for the inconvenience. I did try to use Chinese. However, my laptop had some issues a couple of months ago, and I couldn't use Chinese input any longer. Every time I tried, my machine will crash and I will have to restart. A couple of weeks ago, I tried to recover Chinese input for typing Chinese for my parents' convenience, my operating system registries were screwed up and it took me two days to recover to a workable environment. I think, if I really spend some time, I could get it fixed. But, I will get a new laptop very soon, and I can reinstall the machine. So spending a lot of time on my current laptop seems unworthy. At current time, I am just like walking at the ege of ice while I use my laptop; and I cannot afford not having the laptop for my work.
So XDJMs, I will try to get back to Chinese input as soon as possible. Many sorry for the temporary inconvenience.
有同感，俺現在頭還有點暈。但還是佩服，提議再設一個樓外園地耕耘獎。
回複datuzi的評論:
"selling paintings, poems? 恐怕水溶把那些字畫都買了吧"
實話說，俺看了不太舒服。 賣畫賣字，窮困潦倒怎麽了？還是活得清清白白，有時，這是命，誰也沒辦法。曹公一生大部分時光都是窮困潦倒，為糊口賣畫賣字也幹過。但留下了曠世絕作《紅樓夢》。一個紅學養了多少人，多少人為之如癡如醉。現在還研究不清楚。咋能說沒用。
如果當時可以做主，黛玉知道這結果也一定會嫁給寶玉。不然就不是林妹妹了。搞得大家現在很不忍，嘔心瀝血要給她造一個幸福的結局。到現在還為她要不要伺候吃飯操心。
水溶再能，玉兒現在還是個副老婆，還得不時受點氣，還要連累被暗殺。他也沒辦法。瞧他牛的，把畫都買了。
對不起， 下次一定注意。：）
平日我用的是“InputKing在線中文輸入係統”， 要不就在miao或者大家文裏找詞， 有些花時間。“穀歌拚音輸入法”是不是要用中文係統才好使用？
很同意你那段關於寶玉出家，及黛玉一步一回頭的理解。
我覺得此次見麵促成了寶玉出家。寶玉可能一直有出家的念頭，但他有牽掛，那就是他的林妹妹，他心中依然記掛著妹妹。不然的話，當水溶當著他的麵，表白對黛玉的愛時，寶玉的臉不會變得“煞白如紙”。如今，林妹妹已完全不屬於自己了，既然自己己不能給她帶來幸福，所以他選擇放手，徹徹底底地放手。而且他也看到水溶小小的“醋意”，所以他要唱支曲兒給水溶聽，告訴水溶自己將要走的路。
出家這條路他走得很放心，水溶對黛玉的一舉一動，他都看在眼裏，沒有嫉妒、沒有眼淚，隻有微笑。
榕樹下網站大概是我了解到的比較適合發表文章的地方。有興趣的幫著wumiao判斷一下它的好壞。
1.我想黛玉是已經愛上水溶了, 在前麵的百合一回已經完全明確.
2.我仍然堅持她和寶玉的知己關係不會改變,這也是一種愛情的變身. 能夠擁有這樣兩份愛情,是她的幸運...如果是現代, 就希望她有一個LG和一個情人了...嗬嗬,不過和這裏無關.
3.我想她已經逐步意識到自己對水溶的感情了,不過驟然麵對初戀的愛人,情不能自己,所以沒有控製好.但是以他們夫妻的深情,她也深知水溶會理解.
黛玉的才華應該是賈妃省親後就廣為人知。賈母慶壽時，北靜王妃等人見過黛玉，但那之後，連小過黛玉的探春都已開始議婚了，而且黛玉出嫁時已有19歲，所以當時黛玉未必真得很小。
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回複jiajia07的評論∶
水溶的確可能這麽想∶“He knows that, even after they got their own baby, Dai Yu is still in love with Bao Yu.”
但我覺得此時的寶黛之間未必是love，或者說這種love已非單純的男女之愛。他們之間經曆太多了，兩人自幼青梅竹馬一起長大，曾經到“非卿不娶，非君不嫁”的地步。各自嫁娶，而且還都有了孩子。此時異地相遇，又是寶玉生病之後與他第一次單獨相處，他們之間更多的是唏噓和無奈。
嫁給水溶之後，黛玉在不自覺中己漸漸地將對寶玉的愛轉移到水溶身上，可能連她自己都不太清楚，就象“血誓”黛玉夢中，剛和寶玉淚眼相對，但看到水溶來了“黛玉一時又欣喜起來：原來你沒死。恍恍惚惚覺得和水溶是有著婚約的。黛玉不知不覺就迎了過去”。由此可見在黛玉心裏，水溶的份量在不斷增加，何況還有個萬兒。寶玉現在隻會是她的表哥，她的知己。她不可能同一時間愛著兩個男人，這樣對誰都不公平。
但水溶卻不一樣，他的確還沒摸透黛玉的心，整個賈府都知道黛玉將來是要嫁給寶玉的，所以水溶應該一早知道寶黛之間的關係。由於他深愛著她，所以他才會在乎她的心，在“衷情”中他就試探過黛玉，當時她隻以“知己”做答。作為一個男人，她見到自己妻子在為舊情人流淚，“看著黛玉臉色一變，似傷心又似生氣”，水溶的表現很正常。
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回複wumiao的評論∶
“不過我也應該再多寫些他對孩子的愛。”，對啊！很希望早些看到你筆下的父子情。
could be. but when 水溶 met 黛玉, 黛玉 was too young, as LI FEI mentioned.
我覺得水溶結交寶玉的目的很簡單，“醉翁之意不在酒，在乎山水之間”，他想通過寶玉，對他那位才貌雙全的表妹多些認識。
心有靈犀，嗬嗬
"其實我交結他-----如今不說也罷" --why? "
Great question. That's what I was thinking of asking tonight. And datuzi Mei Mei already spoke it out. That is really an interesting place.
情敵見麵，份外眼紅。雖然倆人都是溫文爾雅的真男人，但還是有點火藥味。“玉兒”這兩字，剛看時就覺得有些甚麽的，經datuzi一提，的確有道理。
Even now 水溶 is not quite confident about 黛玉真愛的 (except Wan Er. , but I mean from the deep soul, grown-up side)。
1. In the beginning, 水溶 "站在門邊，凝神望著寶玉"-- which indicates the subtle relationship. he could come in with an excited welcome! since they were good friends before :)
2. then he showed off his passion for 黛玉 in front of 寶玉! very interesting. "這要謝謝玉兒，多虧了她。我自然是心喜的，但是若得不著，有了她，我也一樣歡喜。”
Will 水溶 address 黛玉 as '玉兒' in front his mother or sister? --maybe not. 潛台詞可能是“她是你的林妹妹，是我的玉兒." 而且誰都知道孩子是黛玉生的.
This is not enough yet! "但是若得不著，有了她，我也一樣歡喜" -- a little bit show off, but he deserves it. :) 以致於"黛玉的臉上紅若桃花，寶玉的臉卻煞白如紙". Not everyone can 心想事成, but 水溶 made it!
3. 寶玉跟水溶搶一下詞,--Both of them 有些尷尬了.
4. "水溶看著黛玉臉色一變，似傷心又似生氣，但慢慢地，他的眼色又泛起溫和愛憐的波光，伸手抓過黛玉的手，輕輕拍了拍"-- 水溶,of couse understood what 寶玉 sang, his 溫和愛憐的波光 came from his heart for 黛玉 only, not after thinking about寶玉's future, 雖然當寶玉站在黛玉麵前時,他現在還沒占什麽大優勢.
5. 水溶微微一笑，牽住黛玉的手，也不和寶玉作別就往外走-- Not 水溶's 穩重 style though.
Miaomiao' magic will let Shui Rong's true love take over 黛玉's heart.
according to the deions, Shui Rong is 27-19=8 years elder than Dai Yu and then 6 years elder than Bao Yu. Shui Rong used to like Bao Yu very much. recall in "chapter 4 瀟湘 :
水溶在原地轉了兩圈，麵對黛玉隻好刨心列膽：“我乃世襲的北靜王，我的名字叫水溶，當今聖上乃我舅父。我與你表兄賈寶玉本是好朋友，我大他幾歲，過去曾經也一處習作玩耍。其實我交結他-----如今不說也罷" --why?
Has any JJMM figured out the reasons that Miaomiao did not write out?寶玉is too outstanding or 水溶wants to approach 寶玉 for 黛玉's poems?
I also do not think 黛玉 can love two persons at the same time, so黛玉本篇表現出來的情不自禁，令人有些傷感。She knows how to face Shui Rong but does not know how to face Bao Yu. 好幾處都刻畫了她的內心矛盾, for example,
1. always "淚如雨下"---- missing him too much
2. 黛玉看著他，半天低聲道：“你不是無才無能，隻是錯生了時候，時候也錯待了你。” while later 黛玉隻不接水溶的目光; --不接目光 is the best deion of her thoughts.
3. "你忘了以前我門前的那些杆竹子了麽？"-- She does not need to emphasize bamboo, and bring Bao Yu back to old days.
Miaomiao handled this part very well, I would say. Because Bao Yu and Dai Yu have not communicated in a "normal" way after 寶玉's marriage since 寶玉was sick for a long time and Dai Yu mairred out. Now 寶玉 has a clear thought about his future but 黛玉 shows her 一步三回頭的眷戀.
Bao Yu is of no use in real life. He only lives on the wealthy life his family gave to him. So he was enjoying playing with many many girls in the garden.
Shui Rong, on the other hand, took the responsibility for serving his country since 20 years old. He is much respectful.
"selling paintings, poems? 恐怕水溶把那些字畫都買了吧"
-lol. Good thinking!
"It might take her a while to realize it."
-Agree. When a person doesn't have to pretend himself/herself at all in front of another one, that one must be his/her: (1) either Mom and Dad, or (2) very close brothers and sisters, or (3) soulmate.
Obviously Shui Rong could be Dai Yu's soulmate, although Dai Yu has not realized that yet. But soon. QIAN TU SHI GUANG MING DE, DAO LU SHI QU ZHE DE :-)
Agree with most of the comments JMs made here, especially most of Jiajia's and 五維's.
Finished this chapter with a heavy heart, mostly because 黛玉和水溶 still have a long way to become soulmate, 心意相知， 水乳交融, but now they are facing 宮裏園內的凶險.
"這裏水溶也一飲而盡道：“我贈你一言：無人收廢帳，歸馬識殘旗。你若看見前麵還有路，千萬不要另走他途，隻管順著路來，必可以達到自己的目標。心靜人沉著，過去的隻管讓他過去，不要紀念那麽多。”寶玉點點頭：“多謝王爺教誨。”水溶微微一笑，牽住黛玉的手，也不和寶玉作別就往外走，黛玉邊走邊回過頭，看著寶玉，寶玉向她笑著點頭，眼裏含著閃閃的淚花。"
五維 is right. From last paragraph, both 黛玉和水溶 knows that Bao Yu is to going to say farewell to the 世俗 world.
"水溶牽住黛玉的手，也不和寶玉作別就往外走":
Shui Rong 心有不平, though he loves 黛玉 to death.
黛玉 exhibits all of her emotion for 寶玉 in front of 水溶 without any wearing any mask, very naturally 真情流露. People only do that in front of their dear ones. 黛玉一點都不矯情, because of the true love. It might take her a while to realize it.
Thinking loud, how can 黛玉 and 寶玉 make a living if they get married? selling paintings, poems? 恐怕水溶把那些字畫都買了吧.
"I am using "Firefox"."
I am using Firefox too. By the way, my original word was "des"-"crip"-"tion". Would you like to try to use the word in a whole in your next message? Thanks :-)
Dear Miao Mei Mei, thanks very much for your reading our readers' opinions carefully and your prompt reply.
Your explanation about Zhu Ying's action is reasonable. Maybe you could also consider a little more about his hesitation of letting Dai Yu see Bao Yu, especially alone after Zi Juan and baby left? Zi Juan probably should also think about it, since she is always a very smart woman, thinking of her not willing to allow Shui Rong and Dai Yu stay alone together at the beginning :-)
If you would like to add some showing Shui Rong's love to Wan Er, we might expect to hear Shui Rong's telling Dai Yu in person (again) how he only prey to get Dai Yu back when he knelt down in snow, and how much he loves their child because it comes from Dai Yu, and how much he appreciates Dai Yu gives him all life's happiness, etc.
Anyway, you know better how to write beautiful scenes. We are here just waiting :-)
btw...my reading carefully just because I love your story. As 五維 Mei Mei said, we love to 細細品味 your lovely story. Thanks again.
I see, thanks for clarification. I have no problem posting though. I am using "Firefox".
"黛玉是愛水溶的,而且水溶也明白,"
Very agree! The reason why 白瑞德 finally made up his mind to leave 郝斯嘉, because he saw 郝斯嘉 holding 魏希裏, which adds the last straw.
In this story, Dai Yu and Bao Yu FA HU QING, ZHI HU LI. NEI YAN XIANG DUI is already the very extreme. So I fully agree, Shui Rong knows Dai Yu just needs some more time; and he is willing to wait.
At least, just kidding, Dai Yu didn't tell Shui Rong just after the baby was born that she didn't want any kid any longer, and didn't want to be close to Shui Rong any longer (as 郝斯嘉 told 白瑞德)...lol.
That's not a word - I tried to explain in several notes earlier :-) The issue is that, every time when I tried to post my notes, the central part of the original word was truncated. You could try from your side, to see whether you could write the word, yes, that's MIAO2 SHU4. Please let me know :-)
You are right, "將要入佛門之意". Thanks for the explanations.
One question though, "其實大約黛玉和水溶都聽明白了，隻是故意把話往世俗事上引，不想多說出家的事，以免寶玉更有這種想法。"
In the original Hong Lou Meng, "第二十二回 聽曲文寶玉悟禪機 製燈迷賈政悲讖語, 寶玉填一支:
無我原非你,從他不解伊.肆行無礙憑來去.茫茫著
甚悲愁喜,紛紛說甚親疏密.從前碌碌卻因何,到如今
回頭試想真無趣!
黛玉笑道:"不該撕,等我問他.你們跟我來,包管叫他收了這個癡心邪話."
In that chapter, it seems that Dai Yu knows how to get Bao Yu stopping thinking of 出家. What I mean is that, Dai Yu knows how to convince Bao Yu, instead of avoiding some topics. Like in that chapter, she decided to ask in Bao Yu's face.
However, in that chapter, "黛玉又道:"你那偈末雲,`無可雲證,是
立足境',固然好了,隻是據我看,還未盡善.我再續兩句在後."因念雲:"無立足境,是方幹淨." In the original Hong Long Meng, Bao Yu definitely has 立足境. However, things are different now. He 無立足境, "則看那，衰楊枯柳人蹤去，孤月殘風影相和。更兼著，世人嘲譏冷笑多。" Now it is clean for him. Maybe that's also one reason Dai Yu stops persuading him any longer.
So, agree with 五維 Mei Mei, Bao Yu is going to be a monk soon.
I could not find "Deions" in the dictionary, guess you mean "depiction"? miao2 shu4? learned a new word. :)
jiajia：我覺得你的認真的勁頭，將會使你做什麽事情都會成功的。
朱英想不起來寶玉是因為他在王府見到的王孫公子很多，再加上寶玉衣著神態改變太大，大約他把寶玉認作普通去會試的秀才了。不過我可以再說明一下。水溶對黛玉很在意，即使沒有孩子仍會愛她，不過我也應該再多寫些他對孩子的愛。
謝謝你，你果然是應該得最佳讀者獎。
姐妹們都去度假了，我想，我也去---買菜去。
關於寶玉唱的曲。大約是說紅塵已看破，將要入佛門之意。其實大約黛玉和水溶都聽明白了，隻是故意把話往世俗事上引，不想多說出家的事，以免寶玉更有這種想法。所以寶玉說“你們都錯會我的意思了”。其實黛玉水溶多半是故意的。
對寶玉來說，俗世已無可留戀，唯有黛玉的幸福讓他牽掛。這次見麵，他親見黛玉身體精神都不錯，水溶又如此關愛黛玉，這最後的擔心也沒有了。他於是可以放心的皈依佛門了。
對黛玉來說，她情不自禁的流淚可能是眷戀寶玉，但更主要應是對寶玉出家的無奈。也許水溶理解了這一點，才在傷心之後轉來安慰黛玉。同樣，黛玉最後的一步一回頭也應該由寶玉出家的不舍而引起。不然，黛玉在水溶麵前因眷戀寶玉而流淚，這如同用千萬把利刃刺向水溶的心，對水溶太殘忍了。不過這隻是我的理解和一廂情願。我太希望林妹妹幸福了，若水溶的心在痛，林妹妹的幸福就打折扣了。白瑞德最後離開郝斯嘉的情形，很類似吧。那是絕望了。
對於芊兒, Jia jia 說的是因寶玉心裏想著"俺隻念木石前盟",很有道理. 我想還有另一層意思,正好符合曹公所說的賈府輩分."水文王草".芊兒和賈蘭賈榮賈薔是一輩. 是否芊兒和萬兒有姻緣呢?--扯遠了.
Jia jia, 這兩天上網少,剛看見你昨天關於賈蘭懸念的回複, 說得好.謝謝了.等有空了再多聊.咱們有整整一個星期外加一個周末呢. :)
datuzi Mei Mei, somehow the word cannot be shown. The middle part was always truncated. Let me use pin yin MIAO2 SHU4.
ok, again, i don't know why the system didn't allow the word. i mean deions. try the capitalized format this time.
deions means "Deions".
I thought it was a typo. But I just retyped and again when it was posted, somehow it was changed to deions.
Mei Mei, sorry, deion is a typo, it should be:
After Wan Er was born, we didn't see any specific deions about whether Shui Rong loves the boy, until his sentence in this chapter, "我自然是心喜的"
That's PIN YIN. In Hong Long Meng, for Bao Yu, "AN2 ZHI3 NIAN4 MU4 SHI2 QIAN2 YUAN2".
what is the meaning of "deion" and "An Zhi Nian Mu Shi Qian Yuan"?
I mean Baoyu became Monk after Xiangyun died or something...but it might be too much for this book.
That's possibility though :-) At least now it is TIAN SHI DI LI REN HE for Bao Yu and XIANG YUN...lol.
In general, no opposition. However, now Bao Chai is helping the whole family for living. If Bao Yu, as a useless man (to some degree), gets another wife. Does that sound right? Now to some degree, he depends on Bao Chai. 出家probably sounds better for him.
有關於寶湘結合的紅樓版本,這裏好象開始有這個發展趨勢?湘雲已經在家裏了,她經過這番風雨,對人生的看法大變,也許和寶玉倒相知更多,至少強過寶釵一些.這裏的文章可以做下去.
拭目以待,MIAOMEIMEI如何結局.
MMs, please join in me for further discussions.
"有骨頭不愁肉", the most important thing of a good book is its backbone, the story and the idea. Miao Mei Mei already has a wonderful story, a wonderful backbone. "人都說好文章是改出來的，我還得改。" That's probably true. A book is even more difficult than a story. Many details need to be TUI QIAO back and forth. But, "Bu Pa Ban Bu Dao, Zhi Pa Xiang Bu Dao". You have a good story, then you already have a solid foundation and potential to go toward a book.
How about this, since you serve us with such a wonderful story and fairy tale, as repay, we will try our best to help TUI QIAO details. Then you could gradually make your story perfect and with more meat.
MMs, any further opinions?
yes, this is for Baoyu and Baochai. somehow matching 憂傷中的快樂,both for Daiyu and Baoyu. Daiyu because she will always bear in mind Baoyu-s unhappiness. Baoyu... we don-t need to repeat any more.
This is Dai Yu and his first child, result of their true love. Shouldn't him cherish their love result very much? I guess Miao Mei Mei wants to emphasize that Shui Rong thinks Dai Yu is the most important, and she is way more important than his children, if he has to make a decision. That is obviously very sweet. But "Ai Wu Ji Wu", he should especially loves their child. (He role in Shui Rong's heart is completely different than Shui Rong's other daughter.) I still remember how much Rhett Butler loves Scarlett and his daughter in "Gone with the wind". Just a thought :-)
Is it because the dream earlier? Since anyway it is not the first time Dai Yu met with Bao Yu after he was married.
Coming back from where, no need to go back where? Especially thinking about the previous "那個昏迷中的夢". In the last chapter, "黛玉思忖了背後那句：“為了他你再回去吧”的話，為他---是水溶？還是這個孩子？還是寶玉？她不明白。" These "come" "go" words appear so many times in the original story and in this story. Need Miao Mei Mei for more explanations to us :-)
Dai Yu is asking Shui Rong or Bao Yu? Or since her heart is "亂亂紛紛", she herself doesn't know? Because Bao Yu also mentioned that he had eaten.
Because of 芊兒 and 萬兒? Or "草字頭下加個千萬的千字", still Bao Yu, "An Zhi Nian Mu Shi Qian Yuan", still "草字頭"?
"歎人間, 美中不足今方信.縱然是舉案齊眉,到底意難平."
That's for Bao Yu and Bao Chai, not for Dai Yu and Shui Rong though :-)
I fully believe that with this chapter, Miao Mei Mei shows that she will not fall into a common three-person love story. She wants Dai Yu to have a perfect love story, with Shui Rong. Then Bao Yu is one mountain that they both have to climb over.
I guess that is the fareware between the three. Shui Rong "也不和寶玉作別", "牽住黛玉的手" "就往外走", them couple will go to their own life.
"黛玉邊走邊回過頭，看著寶玉" Dai Yu is still in sad mood. She also knows that's the fareward between her and Bao Yu.
"寶玉向她笑著點頭，眼裏含著閃閃的淚花" Bao Yu is saying goodbye to his life-time love. He doesn't want to make her sad, so he "向她笑著點頭", although "眼裏含著閃閃的淚花". They both know that that's the end between them, finally and formally. From then on, they will have to say goodbye to their love and leaves it in their history.
Decent. Bao Yu also expressed his feeling, as Dai Yu thought in Chapter "二十四、出征", "但又覺得見麵也隻有尷尬和難過". He is willing not to see Dai Yu any longer. He doesn't want to bother her life, since he also knows that he still lives in Dai Yu's heart, forever.
Bao Yu knows Dai Yu has got her life-time love. He now feels fully released. He truly loves Dai Yu, so he feels happy for her. On the other hand, he also saw Dai Yu's heart, the same as before (well, at least to certain degree). He also feels released.
Really like this, Shui Rong "臉色一變", he knows he is still a loser at the moment (not exactly of course), but still at the moment, Dai Yu has not changed much from the last time when Dai Yu beg him to save Bao Yu and promised to his servant. So he "似傷心又似生氣", remember how much he was mad in Chapter "九、欲絕", as he explained in Chapter "二十一、衷情", "水溶看著她的眼睛道：“真不明白，還是假的？你說的願作奴婢那句話，惹惱了我，" He knows that, even after they got their own baby, Dai Yu is still in love with Bao Yu.
Soon, he controls himself. He really loves Dai Yu. He wants to give Dai Yu enough time to recover. He believes that his love will eventually win (or move) Dai Yu. So "但慢慢地，他的眼色又泛起溫和愛憐的波光，伸手抓過黛玉的手，輕輕拍了拍。"
"黛玉用絹子試了眼淚，水溶又倒給她一杯熱茶勸她喝下去。" Dai Yu knows her reaction is a little too much. But she couldn't control herself. And on the other hand, this sentence also shows that Dai Yu knows how much Shui Rong loves her and spoils her. She doesn't have to cover her real feelings in front of Shui Rong. Shui Rong will understand her. "水溶又倒給她一杯熱茶勸她喝下去", really sweet. All Shui Rong's understanding and love are shown in these simple actions.
In front of Shui Rong :-)
Wonder Miao Mei Mei has more reasons to show us in the future chapters why Bao Yu wants to sing in front of Shui Rong this song.
Seems that before, Bao Yu always sing something like "酒樓上的曲兒", having "那些個東西"?
Bao Yu has grown up. He knows how to act decently, even though his heart is so uncalm at the moment.
They are both in front of their only life-time soulmate, the only woman they both love for the life time.
Good deions. Both Shui Rong and Bao Yu are nervous in front of Dai Yu. They also both need some alcohol.
"寶玉住了口" He realizes his role, he is oply a supporting actor in this scene.
"水溶也頓了一下，卻接著說道：..." Shui Rong feels Bao Yu's reaction. He "頓了一下". Then he calms down, "接著說道".
Really likes Shui Rong. He is such as man. He explicitly express his love to Dai Yu.
"taking care of Daiyu as a real brother...or former lover"
Just my feeling. I don't think Bao Yu considers Dai Yu just as a former lover, let alone a real brother or sister.
Bao Yu told Shui Rong, "我本來要走的，卻似乎聽見她們的聲音，近前來一看果然是她們.” When Bao Yu first came to the door, "麵色玉白，兩眼清亮，站在門口向黛玉望著。" After Zhu Ying asked Bao Yu to get in, "那寶玉有些懵懵懂懂走進來，直接就在黛玉麵前坐了下來，兩眼還是盯著黛玉，也不吭聲。" Finally, he said, "就聽寶玉說了句：“妹妹看上去豐滿了些。”
Later, when Dai Yu totally forget to introduce her Wan Er to Bao Yu, Bao Yu didn't say at the moment. Afterwards, "寶玉見黛玉的目光尾隨著孩子離去，便笑笑說道：“妹妹也不讓我看看他。”黛玉才想起來，剛要讓他們回來，寶玉連忙阻止了道：“不要叫了，以後還沒有機會再見麽？” - His heart is crying. He also didn't dare to see Dai Yu's son.
And many many.
In short, I think Bao Yu still loves Dai Yu so deeply. He still completely doesn't fit into his marriage. He cannot care less. But as 明豔如我 Mei Mei said, he is growing up. He knows how to kind of control his feelings to Dai Yu. She is married to Shui Rong.
These deions are really good. All three's expressions and feelings and subtle interactions are shown vividly.
Shui Rong implicates that he didn't want to have more communications with Bao Yu because of "牽扯到眾多原因" (obvious). "說著，眼望向黛玉", he still so much expects to see that his Yu Er already completely fully loves him. Unfortunately, he has to be disappointed again at the moment, even though they two already had a cute son. "黛玉臉上還含著悲傷，隻不接他的目光."
The situation between the three is really embarrasing. Bao Yu fully understands and tries to help Dai Yu, "寶玉笑著打岔...".
Nice!
This deion is really GOOD! Nice job! Thinking about it, there are so many things under the words.
Shui Rong is good. He stood at the door, starting at Bao Yu. He didn't go in; he kept enough space for Dai Yu, even though, please remember, at the moment, both Bao Yu and Dai Yu are NEI YAN XIANG DU.
Of course, he is the husband. He stood at the door. That's his right. But at least, he didn't say anything, even not entering the door. But every one of us could imagine how much feelings in his heart at the moment.
是啊，多謝啦，我可以安心得去睡啦。
姐妹們玩兒好
歎人間, 美中不足今方信.縱然是舉案齊眉,到底意難平.
sigh...
Not sure whether Miao Mei Mei hides some link here or not. Dai Yu's that dream is very important. Bao Yu's reaction deserves more explanations; maybe Miao Mei Mei will tell us in later chapters.
噢,都忘了EASTER DAY了. 祝水姐姐和家人幸福快樂!
At least now you could go to sleep before it gets too late. Miao Mei Mei is so considerate.
Once again, Bao Yu knows that in the world, Dai Yu is his only soulmate. How could he get lost of her? I guess that, he not only feels sad about his personal fate, but also, and more important, he feels so sad that he lost Dai Yu. Just as later, when Shui Rong said, "有了她，我也一樣歡喜。" "這話說完，...，寶玉的臉卻煞白如紙。"
I guess at least on one side, Dai Yu feels a little sweet. Although Bao Yu married Bao Chai, still, she is Bao Yu's soulmate and only love, even though the couple had a baby.
I took it as a flattery :-) No, I am not. I am in engineering area.
Right. In Dai Yu's heart, she needs to finally clear her thoughts and feelings. We all hope a perfect ending for them three. I mean, Dai Yu will finally fully loves Shui Rong. In her heart, Bao Yu will always be her soulmate; but eventually, not closely related to men-and-women love. Shui Rong will eventually have Dai Yu's full heart. Bao Yu, he will become a monk, right?
Again agree, you seem to be a professional critician?
This sentence is good, as it relates to "十七、重錦", Bao Chai thought, "也許以後也得靠自己才行" and "十九、釵環", "黛玉道：“姐姐拿這些銀子做點本錢，做個小生意也好，你們家過去不是很會這些經濟上的法子,..." Seems that Bao Chai took Dai Yu's suggestion and tried to do something to support the whole family. Good.
this sounds very frustrating... 10 days without a new update...
1. Agree, I also mentioned it should be in different ways. since Love could also vary into another form.
2. I think life is never perfect, Daiyu will love Shuirong as the lover and husband, while her love to Baoyu will faint but remain an important part of her personality. Remember Miao Mei Mei said憂傷中的歡樂, the complexity of human being is not just a switch between yes and no.
agree with your comment on zhuyings reaction, also seemed strange to me.
Not sure why Bao Yu didn't want to say hi to Zi Juan. In addition, Zi Juan is now married. I guess her dressing especially hair style would have changed. Bao Yu always knows how close Zi Juan is with Dai Yu, and how Dai Yu always treats Zi Juan as her sister. Wonder why Bao Yu didn't say hi to Zi Juan. Maybe his full heart is on Dai Yu?
In front of Zi Juan and 兩個奶媽?
Shui Rong said to Bao Yu, "以前你常來我府裏做客". Also, Zhu Ying escort Dai Yu to see Bao Yu and Dai Yu before. Furthermore, Bao Yu is obviously very handsome and outstanding. Kind of doubt Zhu Ying didn't recognize him at the beginning.
Since Zhu Ying and Zi Juan are married, I guess Zi Juan must have told Zhu Ying about Bao Yu and Dai Yu's past. Since he is Shui Rong's most trusted person, he should know (guess) Shui Rong's concern. Of course in any way, he should treat Bao Yu very politely; but I guess he would have some concern for Shui Rong, and may not just "眉頭展開笑了" - seems he is very happy to see Bao Yu.
This sentence is good, showing Miao Mei Mei's careful considerations.
So one didn't come along, either because she didn't want to leave home with her own kid, or because Wan Er didn't eat that much anymore?
Agree, in general. But I think: love is always selfish, at least in some ways. From Shui Rong's perspective, he wants to have Dai Yu's whole heart. Although Dai Yu and Bao Yu can remain to be 知己 (soulmates), Dai Yu should say goodbye to their love in her heart, if she wants to have a wonderful life and it's fair to Shui Rong. Agree that "sometimes you could love 2 persons in different ways", but needs to be in different ways. One in love, one in other way, for example, brother-sister feelings eventually. If "Daiyu will always love Baoyu in the deepest heart", if she still "love" Bao Yu and cannot change the feelings to another type of love, Shui Rong will never be really happy.
"黛玉見他還是心裏一驚，連忙拿帕子掩了微張的雙唇，雙目便開始變得模糊"
This is NOT the first time Dai Yu saw Bao Yu after she moved out of JIA FU. In Chapter "十四、日暮", she went to see Bao Yu and Bao Chai. However, this time, she saw Bao Yu alone - without Bao Chai. So she still could not control her feelings toward Bao Yu, even in front of her servants. (Remember, Zhu Ying is Shui Rong's people.)
After reading this chapter, I fully agree with u, 衷情is one of the best chapters of this novel, I also like 日暮,血誓, all have to do with Baoyu. It is difficult to describe the 3er relationship, especially in regard of Baoyu and Daiyu.
But I think Daiyu will always love Baoyu in the deepest heart, sometimes you could love 2 persons in different ways.
Like what Daiyu said to Baoyu你不是無才無能，隻是錯生了時候，時候也錯待了你,they will remain 知己.
I read the last chapter and had so much wanting to discuss with MMs. But I was too busy in the last several days and didn't get the chance. Will bring out my thoughts this weekend.
Miao Mei Mei has the best thinking for this chapter. It gives a real end in Dai Yu's heart toward Bao Yu. Dai Yu deserves her own new wonderful life. In order to fully enjoy her life, she will have to cut her love to Bao Yu, sooner or later. That will be fair to Shui Rong too. He really deserves that. I think in Shui Rong's heart, he also expect that one day, Dai Yu can put down Bao Yu and only love himself, with her full heart.
In Chapter "九、欲絕", Shui Rong thought, "果然自己就沒有一點希望麽？這輩子即使可以得她的人，卻不能得她的心麽？" Now he has got Dai Yu as his wife. But I guess he is still uncertain whether he has got her heart. Almost, he knows, sadly, he has not won her heart. In Chapter "二十一、衷情", he said, "你為他那麽著，其實我很佩服的，你很有俠義和勇氣，就算是這兩樣吧，是不是？還有別的麽？” Please pay attention, "就算是這兩樣吧，是不是？還有別的麽？" He so much wanted to hear a positive answer for the first question and a negative answer for the second. (Although he almost completely knows the answer.)
At that time, Dai Yu said, “古人有話，士為知己者死。王爺難道沒有知己的麽？” The answer was so obvious. Dai Yu considers Bao Yu as her "知己"; although Shui Rong considers Dai Yu his "知己": "來的晚，人卻是第一份。" I was really touched and moved by Shui Rong's complete love to Dai Yu at the moment. He must be so disappointed and sad at that moment. But still, he chose to give Dai Yu time and space, just clearly express his love.
At that time, Dai Yu so much understood Shui Rong's love and was very touched too, "黛玉的心裏如石投水，漣紋波波蕩去，忍不住也抓住了水溶的手". But still, she didn't cheat her own heart and didn't say something untrue just to please Shui Rong.
"兩個人都默不作聲，過了一會兒，水溶把黛玉的小手放在自己溫和的大手心裏，輕輕摩挲，兩個人又共同望向玉舍那邊。" Shui Rong was showing his true love without words; two of them decide to turn the topic to themselves, to their own love story, that's why "兩個人又共同望向玉舍那邊", because the house records the starting of their own love story.