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誰贏大選辯論重要嗎? Dont give a dime!

(2024-09-12 20:25:42) 下一個

外出旅行在中轉機場的貴賓廳(VIP Lounge)等候轉機,正好碰上兩位美國總統候選人的首次大選辯論,閑極無聊,戴起 Bose 去噪音耳機聽了部分內容。前總統川普規規矩矩(似乎很難得),仍一幅”憤怒”老漢的模樣,麵對觀眾將細節一一道來,當然攻擊對手也毫不吝嗇。有人說他中了對方的圈套,忙於解釋,部分要歸功於兩位ABC電視主持人,也為辯論後川普決定不再辯論打下注腳,也難怪,誰還願意再”對牛談琴“,誰還有興趣再賽一次而裁判執法不公。

另一方的現任副總統哈裏斯,對著鏡頭款款而談,很多時候的內容似乎是練好的台詞,其連貫性和抑揚頓錯本人太熟悉了。記得有一年參加一個製藥界的國際會議,我的一項“煙酒“被大會選中為大會發言,由於該“煙酒“是本人一手“炮製“,公司隻好趕鴨子上架讓我準備演講。對於我們這些早年來美的老中,英文寫寫還行,上台用英語演講,而且對著上千人的聽眾,那種怯場可想而知,更別說人生第一次,簡直是進入“死地”,但也有出路,那就是置於死地而後生。於是用自己一向的搬倒樹捉烏鴉的老辦法,說白了就是把講稿反複練習直到它變成“小腦記憶”(機械記憶)。中國人說:熟能生巧,當你把一篇講稿背得滾瓜爛熟,練出的發言自然而然地有了連貫性和抑揚頓錯,於是一個令人“生畏”的演講就誕生了,不明就裏的人聽了以後會覺得你好厲害。最後一天全體會議我的發言贏得了聽眾起立鼓掌,不少同事都來祝賀,之後的晚宴上,公司的大老板也挺著大肚子向我伸出他肥肥的右手,“Great Job!” 他對我說,肚皮差點先到。

扯遠了,但聽了這個小故事,你能明白從不開記者會的副總統哈裏斯為什麽能在辯論中慷慨激昂了。就連一開頭走上前去握手都是“練”出來的,一種”強人所難“和”逼人就範”的強勢。比如在辯論中人家對手已講過“不反對墮胎“,隻是對足月人工流產有異議,卻引來哈裏斯連篇累牘不分青紅皂白的一通”講稿”背詠。這並非是說哈裏斯和我遇到的情況一模一樣,隻是可以類比而己。

這次辯論後民主黨覺得他們贏“麻“了,各種民調領先滿天飛,殊不知那種極左的專橫跋扈,my way or high way 之 approach 早已將中間選民弄了個透心涼,如果民主黨換個偏中間的候選人他們肯定棄川普而去,但並非這個中國人稱之“見人說人話見鬼說鬼話”的哈裏斯。看看她過去在加州的所作所為,看看今天舊金山的烏煙瘴氣,以美國人民的智慧,他們能讓哈裏斯入主白宮?民調說哈裏斯贏了,而決定此次大選的中間選民說:"Don't give a dime!”

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Mina63 回複 悄悄話 做人不要太哈裏斯.金句!
工人 回複 悄悄話 支持博主
風語空靈 回複 悄悄話 回複 'xyz66' 的評論 :

謝謝 xyz66朋友的“拔刀相助”,不勝感激!

借此機會給此文加點“魚子醬”

(注:賓州(川哈辯論所在州)是關鍵的搖擺州。)

“ A small-town bakery in a key swing state is using cookies to add extra sweetness and competition to the upcoming presidential election.?
Lochel's Bakery in Hatboro, Pa., is tracking the sales of their red Trump cookies and blue Harris cookies as customers from across the country are placing orders to show support for their candidate.
As of Friday morning, the shop has sold a whopping 5,200 Trump cookies vs. 500 Harris cookies.?”

穀歌翻譯:
一個關鍵搖擺州的小鎮麵包店正在使用餅幹為即將到來的總統選舉增添額外的甜味和競爭性。

賓夕法尼亞州哈特伯勒的 Lochel's Bakery 正在跟蹤他們的紅色特朗普餅幹和藍色哈裏斯餅幹的銷售情況,因為來自全國各地的顧客都在下訂單以表示對他們候選人的支持。

截至周五上午,這家店已經售出了 5,200 塊特朗普餅幹,而哈裏斯餅幹的銷量為 500 塊。
ShalakoW 回複 悄悄話 xyz66': 這樣的博主給咱們再來幾打。
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Of course, heavenly so. In
xyz66 回複 悄悄話 @ShalakoW

文城的論壇裏百花齊放,博主可以取各種題目來展現其中心論點,甚至語不驚人死不休地采用各種聳人聽聞的題目來吸引眼球,招流量,包括你自己不也到處“碰瓷“YouTube 華語名人寫博文嗎?

這些操作在信息爆炸的網絡時代無可厚非,畢竟人們時間有限,根據標題內容選擇是否點擊是人之常情。但是,如果標題下麵文章空洞無物,邏輯混亂,甚至讀下來覺得作者心懷叵測,久而久之,網友就會繞行,即使不小心點進去後不屑與博主互動。哈哈,博主自嗨吧!

從風語空靈的一係列博文看來,真實真誠,幽默風趣,配上高質量的圖片,還慷慨地與網友分享自己的業餘愛好“私貨”,有知識有見解,這樣的博主給咱們再來幾打;)

ShalakoW 回複 悄悄話 xyz66:....說點實質性的論點...
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不知道你說的實質性論點是什麽,倒有個簡單的問題,博主如何知道"中間選民對辯論輸贏 don't give a dime"?
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文中沒有任何說明,博主就替"中間選民"作了主,讓顯得越俎代庖的結論難以令人置信。辯論勝利是否能轉化為更多選票,是個無人能回答的問題。博主"don't give a dime"的回答,因毫無依據讓肯定的語氣顯得非常單薄,因為隻是一個猜測。
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除非授權,否則,在美國/西方人們回答對某個問題的看法/感受時,幾乎有一個標準模式: I don't know about others, but I think/believe...(我不知道別人怎麽樣,但我認為/相信...)。與中國大陸不同,在西方/美國隨便與他人作主,是冒犯人的不禮貌行為。
xyz66 回複 悄悄話 樓下的Shalako 網民,你得向博主學習,說點實質性的論點,糾結於“dime” or “damn” 有意思嗎? 顯擺你英文造詣深厚? 別忘了,這是在海外,英文是主流語言。文學城臥龍藏虎,秀這點雕蟲小技,貽笑大方罷了。

也許博主隻不過是為了避免觸發“profanity” censorship 才用了dime. Who knows? Who cares?
ShalakoW 回複 悄悄話 @海河垂釣叟,
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電影"隨風而去/Gone with the Wind"的結尾,當深愛Scarlett O'Hara 的 Rhett Butler 再也無法忍受 Scarlett冷漠與自私,決定離家出走時,Scarlett 在房門處攔住Rhett,懇請他不要走:
Scarlett: Rhett, if you go, where shall I go? What shall I do?
Rhett: Franky my dear, I don't give a damn.
這段對話成為這一經典電影的一個人的經典片段。
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如果按你的意思,I don't give a dime 與 I don't give a damn 沒有區別,Rhett回應道,"Frankly my dear, I don't give a dime", 且不說電影是否能成經典,觀眾或都會要求退票,哪怕當時的票價隻是 a dime.
xyz66 回複 悄悄話 讚風靈博主又一篇言之有物的好文!

與你同感,老賀的debate style 一看就是臨陣磨槍,死記硬背秀出來的,因為在此之前任何隻要需要臨場發揮的講話,簡直就是車禍現場,就剩下令人無比尷尬的哈哈哈,哈哈哈了!

再看老賀在辯論中的肢體語言,她空洞無物的口號不少,臉上手上小動作不斷,特別是擠眉弄眼,有時甚至亂拋媚眼,不把精力放在如何讓觀眾真正了解她的政策思想,卻集中精力“刺激”老川,可惜功效不佳,反而讓中間選民厭惡這樣的操作。恰恰就是這些中間選民最後定勝負。

老賀禍禍加州已是現實,現在攜禍禍明州的Walz一起來禍禍美國,是可忍,孰不可忍,無論你是什麽“粉”的投票人,請捫心自問,到底想在什麽樣的環境下生活?

蘋果山莊 回複 悄悄話 回複 'Contenta' 的評論 : 讚!把你的正貼提上來
HARRIS CLOSING STATEMENT
“So, I think you’ve heard tonight two very different visions for our country, one that is focused on the future, and the other that is focused on the past and an attempt to take us backward. But we’re not going back, and I do believe that the American people know we all have so much more in common than what separates us, and we can chart a new way forward, and a vision of that includes having a plan, understanding the aspirations, the dreams, the hopes, the ambition of the American people. Which is why I intend to create an opportunity economy, investing in small businesses, in new families, and what we can do around protecting seniors, what we can do that is about giving hardworking folks a break and bringing down the cost of living. I believe in what we can do together that is about sustaining America’s standing in the world and ensuring that we have the respect that we so rightly deserve, including respecting our military and ensuring we have the most lethal fighting force in the world.
I will be a president that will protect our fundamental rights and freedoms, including the right of a woman to make decisions about her own body and not have her government tell her what to do. I’ll tell you, I started my career as a prosecutor. I was a DA, I was an attorney general, United States Senator and now vice president. I’ve only had one client, the people. And I’ll tell you, as a prosecutor, I never asked a victim or witness, ‘Are you a Republican or a Democrat?’ The only thing I ever asked them was, ‘are you OK’? And that’s the kind of president we need right now, someone who cares about you and is not putting themselves first.I intend to be a president for all Americans and focus on what we can do over the next 10 and 20 years to build back up our country by investing right now in you, the American people.

TRUMP’S CLOSING STATEMENT
So she just started by saying she’s going to do this, she’s going to do that. She’s going to do all these wonderful things.Why hasn’t she done it? She’s been there for three and a half years.They’ve had three and a half years to fix the border. They’ve had three and a half years to create jobs and all the things we talked about. Why hasn’t she done it?
She should leave right now, go down to that beautiful White House, go to the Capitol, get everyone together and do the things you want to do.
But you haven’t done it, and you won’t do it because you believe in things that the American people don’t believe in. You believe in things like we’re not going to frack, we’re not going to take fossil fuel, we’re not going to do things that are going to be strong, whether you like it or not.

Germany tried that, and within one year, they were back to building normal energy plants … We can’t sacrifice our country for the sake of bad vision.
But I just ask one simple question, why didn’t she? We’re a failing nation. We’re a nation that’s in serious decline. We’re being laughed at all over the world, all over the world. They laughed. I know the leaders very well. They’re coming to see me. They call me. We’re laughed at all over the world. They don’t understand what happened to us as a nation. We’re not a leader. We don’t have any idea what’s going on. We have wars going on in the Middle East. We have wars going on with Russia and Ukraine. We’re going to end up in a third World War, and it will be a war like no other, because of nuclear weapons, the power of weaponry. I rebuilt our entire military. She gave a lot of it away to the Taliban. She gave it to Afghanistan. What these people have done to our country, and maybe toughest of all, is allowing millions of people to come into our country. Many of them are criminals, and they’re destroying our country. The worst president, the worst vice president in the history of our country.”
曬就是分享 回複 悄悄話 變色龍,哈哈。是的!

給讚風語空靈。說得非常好。謝謝!!
曬就是分享 回複 悄悄話 @neshershahor

FYI
樓主的意思是 The undecided voters are not convinced by the poll. They couldn't care less. The so-called "win" does not shift their votes.

風語空靈 回複 悄悄話 哇噻,討論熱烈,謝謝各位評論!讚成的,批評的或反對的,除了極少口出不遜的哈,都是關心美國的未來,天下興亡 匹夫有責。

個人的觀點是如哈裏斯當了總統,美國會劇烈地往下探底,到最後倒黴的是那些送她進白宮的選民,加州被她遺留的東西害得太深,比一比昔日與今天的舊金山就知道了。治安江河日下,“苦秦久巳”,很多歸咎於她的“$950”法案,偷搶少於950美元可以walk away,以致於罪犯們搶商店時拿著計算器,到手後一算價格,達$950就走人,可免牢獄。

做人不要太哈裏斯,有理也要讓人三分,更何況強詞奪理,為了選舉左右逢緣,比如別人說小費免稅,她跟著呀呀學語,希望這樣易“變色”的人坐在橢圓形辦公室嗎?三思而行!
ShalakoW 回複 悄悄話 @neshershahor,
He is not.
neshershahor 回複 悄悄話 If you are NOT American citizen: well, its up to you...
If you are American citizen: YOU BETTER GIVE A DIME! IT IS YOUR PRESIDENT FOR THE NEXT 4 YRS
曬就是分享 回複 悄悄話 三笑原來說她不是黑人,是印度人,被媽媽帶大,媽媽是印度移民。後來為了選票她說是黑人。她裝黑人口音拙劣得不敢直視。https://youtu.be/8u45WkkRva4?si=K4z-ZOWzwD4BmCpG

那天與川普辯論到最後,她要選民不看過去,展望未來。她把過去幾年和現在的美國搞得一塌糊塗,誰還願意把未來交在她的手裏呢?dumb af!
ShalakoW 回複 悄悄話 @鏡子裏的猴兒,
上世紀美國大蕭條時,歌手 Bing Crosby 有一首很有名的歌,Brother, can you spare a dime (夥計,能施舍一毛錢麽?),說的是大蕭條給美國各行各業的人造成的經濟打擊。結尾的歌詞是,
...Oh say, don't you remember? I am your pal,
Buddy, can you spare a dime.
ShalakoW 回複 悄悄話 @海河垂釣叟,
Thank you.
在我讀來,博主文中最後那句話想表達的意思是,"即便民調顯示哈裏斯贏了辯論,但中間選民也不在乎(不會改變他們把票投給川普的決定)"。
且不說他如何知道"中間選民"怎麽想的,他想說明的是"美國中間選民"的思維活動。With this in mind,
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從語言邏輯上說,英文是"Don't give a damn",是表明自己不在乎, 而"Don't give a dime"表明"一文不值"。
前者意思中立(哪怕值百萬美金也與我無關);後者帶有否定/貶義。
"一文不值"是大陸國人思維方式,否定對方來強調自己正確; "與我無關"是美國人的思維習慣,隻強調自己的意見,不評判他人(結論)是否正確。
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博主這篇文章猜測是"美國中間選民"的意見,即便他的猜測合理,也應是美國人的思維態度:隻強調自己(我不在乎),不否定他人。
然而,博主卻用中國大陸國人思維習慣解釋美國人的思維活動,這一擰巴的操作,讓他的猜測不可避免地與現實帶有很大的"隔閡"。
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美國政壇割裂,左右相互否定,對方"一文不值(Don't give a dime)",而"中間選民"的特點就是不參與左右誰對誰錯之爭(Don't give a damn)", 隻在意自己的判斷。
Contenta 回複 悄悄話 川普的closing argument 痛打三笑七寸,讓她毫無還手之力。贏麻了?還是被打”麻“了?

HARRIS CLOSING STATEMENT
“So, I think you’ve heard tonight two very different visions for our country, one that is focused on the future, and the other that is focused on the past and an attempt to take us backward. But we’re not going back, and I do believe that the American people know we all have so much more in common than what separates us, and we can chart a new way forward, and a vision of that includes having a plan, understanding the aspirations, the dreams, the hopes, the ambition of the American people. Which is why I intend to create an opportunity economy, investing in small businesses, in new families, and what we can do around protecting seniors, what we can do that is about giving hardworking folks a break and bringing down the cost of living. I believe in what we can do together that is about sustaining America’s standing in the world and ensuring that we have the respect that we so rightly deserve, including respecting our military and ensuring we have the most lethal fighting force in the world.
I will be a president that will protect our fundamental rights and freedoms, including the right of a woman to make decisions about her own body and not have her government tell her what to do. I’ll tell you, I started my career as a prosecutor. I was a DA, I was an attorney general, United States Senator and now vice president. I’ve only had one client, the people. And I’ll tell you, as a prosecutor, I never asked a victim or witness, ‘Are you a Republican or a Democrat?’ The only thing I ever asked them was, ‘are you OK’? And that’s the kind of president we need right now, someone who cares about you and is not putting themselves first.I intend to be a president for all Americans and focus on what we can do over the next 10 and 20 years to build back up our country by investing right now in you, the American people.


TRUMP’S CLOSING STATEMENT
So she just started by saying she’s going to do this, she’s going to do that. She’s going to do all these wonderful things.Why hasn’t she done it? She’s been there for three and a half years.They’ve had three and a half years to fix the border. They’ve had three and a half years to create jobs and all the things we talked about. Why hasn’t she done it?
She should leave right now, go down to that beautiful White House, go to the Capitol, get everyone together and do the things you want to do.
But you haven’t done it, and you won’t do it because you believe in things that the American people don’t believe in. You believe in things like we’re not going to frack, we’re not going to take fossil fuel, we’re not going to do things that are going to be strong, whether you like it or not.
Germany tried that, and within one year, they were back to building normal energy plants … We can’t sacrifice our country for the sake of bad vision.
But I just ask one simple question, why didn’t she? We’re a failing nation. We’re a nation that’s in serious decline. We’re being laughed at all over the world, all over the world. They laughed. I know the leaders very well. They’re coming to see me. They call me. We’re laughed at all over the world. They don’t understand what happened to us as a nation. We’re not a leader. We don’t have any idea what’s going on. We have wars going on in the Middle East. We have wars going on with Russia and Ukraine. We’re going to end up in a third World War, and it will be a war like no other, because of nuclear weapons, the power of weaponry. I rebuilt our entire military. She gave a lot of it away to the Taliban. She gave it to Afghanistan. What these people have done to our country, and maybe toughest of all, is allowing millions of people to come into our country. Many of them are criminals, and they’re destroying our country. The worst president, the worst vice president in the history of our country.”
鏡子裏的猴兒 回複 悄悄話 回複 '海河垂釣叟' 的評論 : 隻見過 " I would not give you a dime...." 或者 " you would not get a dime..." , 沒見過人說 " don't give a dime", 隻有一個例外. 有一首歌名叫做 "don'i give a dime."

您這是閉門造車.
海河垂釣叟 回複 悄悄話 兩種說法都對,don't give me dime 的意思是 what you said is worthless to me.
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ShalakoW 發表評論於 2024-09-13 07:20:11
博主,正確的說法是,Don't give a damn,
海河垂釣叟 回複 悄悄話 那天的辯論看著確實有趣,看著川普imploding太解乏了。一個convicted felon有什麽資格當總統?一個撒謊成性的人又有什麽能力來管理國家。我也不指望一場結論能帶來多大的變化,但是川普肯定不能依靠這次辯論來爭取中間選民了。
ShalakoW 回複 悄悄話 博主,
正確的說法是,Don't give a damn,
不是你題目中說的 "Don't give a dime".
Mind you.
蘋果山莊 回複 悄悄話 回複 'davidinchina' 的評論 : ”這次辯論展示了Harris有總統氣質,而且能有效擊敗川普,看著川普被爆,我太高興了。”

大夥兒注意了,看到沒有,這個ID根本不care美國的未來和美國人民的生活,一切都隻為了黑川普,隻要一有機會黑川普,他一定會立馬現身,這次更完整暴露了這個ID最為真實的一麵,隻要打敗川普,一隻狗上來都行,卻完全不顧雙方的政綱執政能力是否愛美國,由此可見,這樣的ID說的所有都沒有任何value和credits,他唯一希望就是搞垮美國,davidinchina,你真給中國丟臉
蘋果山莊 回複 悄悄話 回複 '妙人兒28' 的評論 : 你就是個下流不要臉隻會喊口號的極下賤吃福利傻B
蘋果山莊 回複 悄悄話 說太好了!不要聽一個政客說什麽畫什麽餅,要看這個政客做了什麽,賀三的舊金山現實和白賀政府的四年放進兩千萬難民物價飛漲世界混亂美國在走向大號舊金山就是賀三當政美國的事實未來。
用自己的親身經曆告訴大夥兒賀三通過十來天密集全天集訓背出來演出來的假辯論加上兩個主持人的拉偏架,這個辯論無論輸贏,辯論賽本身就已經徹底輸了。況且賀三除了背誦,她對她當政四年造成的美國現實眾多問題提出任何解決方法麽?沒有!非但沒有,還各種嬉皮笑臉毫無改正糾錯之意,她可能解決咱老百姓的問題嗎?NO!她全脫產就為了訓練辯論,作為一個總統候選人可笑麽悲哀麽?既是裁判又是球員,你們能指望她再當四年做什麽麽除了把美國帶入舊金山?
頂級朋友 回複 悄悄話 讚-看看她過去在加州的所作所為,看看今天舊金山的烏煙瘴氣,以美國人民的智慧,他們能讓哈裏斯入主白宮?
TexasIns02 回複 悄悄話 見人說人話見鬼說鬼話的正是川普和黃川粉們
妙人兒28 回複 悄悄話 SB
美洲灰狼 回複 悄悄話 You don’t give a dime.
I don’t give a dime.
Those undecided voters in the swing states do.
ZGBD 回複 悄悄話 說的對極了,don’t give me a dime. 選票說了算,看來我要投川普一票啦
davidinchina 回複 悄悄話 對川粉來說,不管川普說什麽都會支持他,辯論當然不重要;但是對於不是川粉的人群來說,辯論太重要了。這次辯論展示了Harris有總統氣質,而且能有效擊敗川普,看著川普被爆,我太高興了。另外川普頻頻中圈套,也說明他有致命的性格弱點,不適合做總統。其實你也知道這次辯論真的很重要。
遠涯 回複 悄悄話 看看她過去在加州的所作所為,看看今天舊金山的烏煙瘴氣,以美國人民的智慧,他們能讓哈裏斯入主白宮?++1
酸柚子 回複 悄悄話 don't give a dime?
then why write about it?
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