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諾獎大咖你信誰?

(2020-04-17 20:34:47) 下一個
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
出於對文城大咖的尊重, 看到今天諾獎權威親自現身肯定一些外行"民科"的推論 而且遠遠比一般說法更極端 (見上博), 興衝衝的去看看大咖的解讀, ..., 
 
 
 

 

[網友提問]

n****u回複悄悄話是真是假? 潤濤閻有何評論?

法國病毒學家,因研究艾滋病毒獲得2008年諾貝爾醫學獎的呂克·蒙塔尼耶教授(Pr Luc Montagnier)4月16日在醫學網pourquoidordeur.fr接受采訪時稱,目前全球大流行的冠狀病毒來自武漢一個實驗室.

 

 

 

 

不幸先見到這一段 "不喜勿來"聲明:

潤濤閻2020-04-17 16:12:54回複悄悄話關於評論的話題。
我曾經試過關閉評論,很多朋友不同意。我就又打開了。
其實不喜歡我博文的多得是,恨不得罵死我的都有。這沒辦法解決。天天想找我茬的,我就不理解為何非來讀不可。其實我是為他們著想,因為犯不著自己跟自己過不去。我就不讀我不喜歡的東西,所以我理解不了這事。更令我吃驚的是:天天想罵我的,還天天惦記著我的博客,恐怕我不寫了。

人有臉, 樹有皮, 在人那問些討教的話時機不對難免被誤解成上門挑戰的, ..., 就不在人家家裏給人添堵了。盡管之前再三表達了濤濤江水之敬意, 猶豫再三, 還是發在自己家吧 - 言論自由, 過期作廢, 魚梗在喉, 不吐不快, 難免得罪了, 從此恐成陌路人! :(

潤濤閻回複悄悄話回複 'n*****u' 的評論 :

我沒學過法文。也沒去看有沒有英文報道。我不知道他幹嘛攪這混水。當年艾滋病是實驗室造的陰謀論經久不息,他也是受質疑者之一。他給出的證據是怎樣的?還是攪混水用語 might,could be, possible,highly possible,cann't rule out the possibility, ect. 還是找到了證據了?如果有論文發表,那一定有英文版的版本,那就值得讀。攪混水的跟媒體聊天的那就算了。

 

 

 

 

 

諾獎權威的論斷, 廖廖數語就被打發了, 有點不平。不幸的是, 報導中教授用的詞是 "斷言 (affirmed 和 assertion )", 針對病毒來源的措詞, 沒有一處用到閻博上麵引用的模糊用詞 [教授用詞黑體著重]

==聲明: 諾獎教授不代表本博觀點==

EXCLUSIVE - The thesis of a manipulated virus escaped from a Chinese laboratory:  Prof Luc Montagnier

The coronavirus responsible for the Covid-19 pandemic: a virus escaped from a Chinese laboratory and which is said to harbor DNA sequences from HIV! It is the pavement in the pond launched by Professor Luc Montagnier, Nobel Prize winner in medicine in 2008 for his work on the AIDS virus, but challenged for positions that have sometimes shocked the scientific community.

EXCLUSIVE - The thesis of a manipulated virus escaped from a Chinese laboratory: the pavement in the pool of Pr Luc MontagnierENGENEONLINE / ISTOCK

  •  Posted on 04/16/2020 at 6:00 p.m.

THE ESSENTIAL
  • Professor Luc Montagnier, 2008 Nobel Prize in Medicine, says that SARS-CoV-2 is a manipulated virus accidentally released from a laboratory in Wuhan, China
  • Chinese researchers reportedly used this coronavirus as part of work to develop an AIDS vaccine
  • HIV DNA fragments allegedly found in the SARS-CoV-2 genome

We knew the Chinese version of the emergence of the coronavirus more and more undermined, but here is a thesis that tells a whole different story about the Covid-19 pandemic already responsible for more than 120,000 deaths in the world. According to Professor Luc Montagnier, 2008 Nobel Prize in Medicine for having "co-discovered" the HIV causing the AIDS epidemic with François Barré-Sinoussi today affirmed that SARS-CoV-2 is a manipulated virus and accidentally left a laboratory in Wuhan, China during the last quarter of 2019. This laboratory known to work on coronaviruses, according to Professor Montagnier, sought to use one of these viruses as an HIV vector as part of the looking for an AIDS vaccine!

"With my colleague, the bio-mathematician Jean-Claude Perez, we looked closely at the description of the genome of this RNA virus," explained Luc Montagnier, interviewed by Dr. Jean-François Lemoine for the daily audio journal of Pourquoi Doctor , adding that others had already explored this track: "Indian researchers had already tried to publish the results of analyzes showing that this genome harbored sequences of another virus which is ... HIV, the virus of AIDS, but they were forced to retract, the pressures were too strong! ".

"To insert an HIV sequence into this genome, you need molecular tools"

Faced with these assertions by a professor who is sometimes challenged following iconoclastic positions, in particular on vaccination, one might also think that these conclusions are due to chance and that the coronavirus examined could have been taken from a patient otherwise afflicted with HIV. "No, replies Luc Montagnier, to insert a sequence of HIV into this genome, molecular tools are needed, this can only be done in the laboratory".

According to the 2008 Nobel Prize in Medicine, the explanation is due to an "industrial accident" at the Wuhan laboratory. "The history of the fish market is a beautiful legend ... The assumption is that this virus left the laboratory because it escaped its promoters, it is a work of apprentice-sorcerer!", Estimates he promoting the thesis that the object of this work was the search for an AIDS vaccine.

"The truth always ends up breaking out"

This thesis defended by Professor Luc Montagnier generates in any case "reassuring" information. According to him, the altered elements of this virus eliminate themselves as it spreads: "Nature does not admit any molecular construction, it eliminates these foreign bodies ... even if we does nothing, things will get better, but after a lot of deaths ... ", he announces, advancing all the same a solution. To stop the pandemic, Luc Montagnier says that by using "interfering waves, we could eliminate these sequences".

This is enough to fuel famous debates! To the point that Professor Montagnier's statements could also classify him in the category of "conspirators": "Conspiracies, it's the opposite camp, the one who hides the truth", he replies without wanting to accuse anyone but hoping that the Chinese would recognize what he said happened in their laboratory. "Anyway, the truth always ends up coming out, it's up to the Chinese government to take responsibility." 

Below, the interview with Pr Luc Montagnier...

https://www.pourquoidocteur.fr/Articles/Question-d-actu/32190-EXCLUSIF-La-these-d-un-virus-manipule-echappe-d-un-laboratoire-chinois-pave-mare-Pr-Luc-Montagnier

[轉] 法諾貝爾醫學獎得主:新冠病毒為中國實驗室人造 [鏈接]

[英中對譯 by Google]

[參考消息] 從科學和邏輯的角度解釋為什麽武漢冠狀病毒是人造的

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股聾 回複 悄悄話 股聾2020-04-27 12:33:48回複 'firstuncle' 的評論 :

一叔你又來胡扯,以為大家不懂英文嗎? 字裏行間不是說讓大家注射 lysol 嗎?
你讓大家 high 一回兒行不行?!

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firstuncle 2020-04-25 10:02:00回複悄悄話
你也是胡扯,那句話說吃和注射lysol了?

“I see the disinfectant that knocks it out in a minute, one minute,” “And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning? Because you see it gets inside the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it would be interesting to check that.”

潤濤閻2020-04-24 18:57:37

關於川普殺死病毒的三種方法,說起來的確都管用。

1.注射清潔劑到人體殺死病毒。
2.把微型UV燈放入肺裏照射病毒。
3.高溫殺死病毒。
股聾 回複 悄悄話 回複 '吳友明' 的評論 :

吳大哥指教的是!
諾獎得主和文城大咖意見不一樣了, 我都不敢得罪呀
吳友明 回複 悄悄話 你的博文要仰視,太深奧了!
大馬哈魚 回複 悄悄話 林子大了,啥鳥都有。博客既然開了,心理素質要有!讚
股聾 回複 悄悄話 沒見過豬跑還沒吃過豬肉?

結尾鏈接科普文和作者對評論的回複都有很高的水平,不論作為參考還是有待反駁的靶子,希望專業人士參閱並且指導。
股聾 回複 悄悄話 謝謝土豆點撥! 我呢, 是“狠鬥私字一念閃”, 還考慮過此博是不是關閉評論。
實在沒精神頭吵架
土豆-禾苗 回複 悄悄話 把評論關閉、或者不回複評論,是蠻鍛煉自己的。文學城沒多少人有這種堅定心理,更多會找各種有趣的“替他人著想”的理由。

“我曾經試過關閉評論,很多朋友不同意。我就又打開了”,不記得哪位領導人說過“是人民需要我”,還有“是人民把我放在這樣的工作崗位上”……

城裏還有一位博主常說:我是為了喜歡我的博友才寫文章的,我要對得起他們……

其實我也舍不得關閉評論,但絕不是TMD“替網友著想”,而僅僅是因為自己的一絲被人矚目的網紅心理啊……(我是替網友罵我自己)
股聾 回複 悄悄話 回複 '土豆-禾苗' 的評論 :

對呀, 他一定知道的!
土豆-禾苗 回複 悄悄話 也想問一下煩人
登錄後才可評論.