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我們要海歸到什麽一個國家?
送交者: xpt 2007年11月17日17:32:32 於 [教育與學術]http://www.bbsland.com
我們要海歸到什麽一個國家？
China has never been a land of justice and law. We know it too well and too long.I often cannot help but laughing at those who stayed abroad too long and missed Chinese food too much. They are talking going back to China. Those who are already in China would often say, this is your last (last to what?) opportunity to take some important positions in China; How fast China grows, and how easy to get rich. They created a rosy picture of a modern China where you can find money like finding, well, other Chinese on the street.
The truth is that China is getting rich, but at at the same also getting rotten! There has no trace in Chinese history to respect individual. Everyone is a piece in the gigantic machine called 國家, which became the worst under the communist rule since 1949. Sure, you can go back to China and get rich and occupy some important positions. But you are still a small pawn on the game board for the supreme CCP and the rulers. As long as you play the game as the CCP desires you to do, you will be rich and famous.
However, not everything including money and fame can help you if you are in collision with the rule and law in China - it is not designed for you, even you are rich and famous. It is designed for the everlasting rule of CCP!
If you do not believe me, take a look at this poor professor and his family. I am sure he has money and fame. But when he faced the powerful machine, nothing matters.
Be happy in China, my China-man, if you chose to be a pig.
xpt
November 17, 2007
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廣州警察槍殺教授：證人父親病危
安徽商報 2007-11-17 16:42:46
15日，尹方明事件唯一證人王燕鳴，其弟弟王俊向調查組提出了包括“王燕鳴在哪？何時能與家人見麵？”等六大疑問，而截至昨日記者發稿時，王俊仍未接到任何回複。
據王俊介紹，家中70歲的父親患有腦血栓等疾病，僅11月15日一晚就因病痛醒來十餘次。“我的要求不過分，孝順父母是人之常情。況且他(王燕鳴)隻是個證人，為什麽連回家見父母的權利都被剝奪？希望廣州警方讓他回家看看，了卻父親的心願！”王俊說，醫院下達的病重通知書上明確寫著：患者病情處於惡化，隨時可能危及生命。“現在的情況讓我太為難，左手右手都是肉，我哥不能不救，我爸也不能不管。”王俊說，如果這兩天王燕鳴的事還沒有進展，他就要考慮暫時回家照顧父親了。“我會考慮請律師，可是很難保證有律師願意接手。”
附：皖籍博士遭警察槍擊身亡其年近八旬老母尚不知情
皖籍博士尹方明廣州遭警察槍擊身亡一案發生已三天多時間，但遠在含山縣環峰鎮西張劉自然村，其年近80的養母還一直被蒙在鼓裏。她告訴記者：“兒子雖然不是我親生的，但比親生的還親，他是我一生最大的驕傲！”
昨天15時左右，記者驅車趕到尹博士遠在含山的老家。因為尹母年歲已高，沒人敢將這一噩耗告訴老人。記者以尹博士朋友身份走進老人家時，正在喂雞鴨的她，滿臉歡喜地將記者迎進屋。“這是兒子給我買的冰箱，這是兒子給我帶回來的藥，這是兒子給我裝的電話……”記者還沒坐定，老太太已經說開了。
“方明是我抱養來的。”尹母告訴記者，早年因為自己隻有一個女兒，盼子心切的她特地托人從劉姓人家將家境貧困的尹方明抱養過來。這些雞就是養著，留著兒子回來吃的，“他今年清明節回來時說，今年年底回來給我做八十大壽，我等著他回來”。
昨天下午，記者來到尹博士的生父母家時，已經兩天沒有吃飯的尹博士的大哥、大姐看到本報的報道禁不住失聲痛哭。“三弟的命太苦了，從小就給人領養，好不容易剛剛熬出頭，就遭遇如此噩耗。”大姐劉本英告訴記者，因為小時候家裏很窮，加上母親又身患重病，實在無力撫養姐弟五人的父母，忍痛割愛將三弟過繼給人。每年清明他都會特地趕回來。今年四月四號到八號，他一直在家呆了好幾天，但我們誰也沒想到這會是最後一麵。(記者王素英)
附：尹方明弟弟提出廣州市公安局不應列入聯合調查組
尹方明弟弟昨向廣東省公安廳紀委書記跪求早日查清真相，並提出廣州市公安局不應列入聯合調查組
公安局作為當事方，不應參與調查；強烈要求早日釋放證人王燕鳴……昨日，尹方明的弟弟先後來到廣東省政府信訪辦、廣東省公安廳信訪辦，正式書麵提出了自己的六點要求，並跪求廣東省公安廳黨委副書記、紀委書記林偉倫早日還哥哥一個清白。他們特別提出，廣州市公安局作為當事方，不應進入聯合調查組，此案應交由檢察機關調查。
昨日上午，尹教授的弟弟劉本寶等人來到廣東省政府信訪辦，正式書麵提出六點請求。信訪辦工作人員立即將此事轉交廣東省公安廳信訪辦。昨日下午，尹教授的弟弟劉本寶等人來到廣東省公安廳信訪辦，廣東省公安廳黨委副書記、紀委書記林偉倫接待了他。“王燕鳴在哪？我們強烈要求早日釋放證人王燕鳴，早日查清事情的真相！”劉本寶十分激動。
尹教授家人特別提出，廣州市公安局作為當事方，不應進入聯合調查組，不應參與事件的調查，此事應交由檢察機關調查。因為廣州市公安局作為被調查對象的所在單位，理應回避。否則，“聯合調查組”也應吸納另一方當事人----死者家屬或死者所在單位指派的人參加。如果廣州市公安局認為對此事件有展開內部調查的必要，可以自行組織本局的警務督察人員進行，並需配合檢察機關獨立調查此事件中警察是否涉及瀆職犯罪。對國家機關工作人員涉嫌職務犯罪進行立案偵查，是檢察機關的職能，公安機關隻有配合和支持檢察權的行使，而不能分享檢察機關的偵查權。
林偉倫告訴劉本寶，這些問題他也不能回答。目前，此事已移交檢察機關，王燕鳴也已移交檢察院。對於事情的進展，他也不知情。不過，他可以將劉本寶的請求轉交有關部門。
臨走時，劉本寶突然雙膝跪地，“請你們早日公布事情真相，還我哥哥一個清白！”
附：奶奶11月11日去世尹方明出事當天本來要回含山
就在尹方明被槍擊身亡的前兩天，也即11月11日，尹方明的奶奶在老家安徽省含山縣去世。據尹方明的堂弟介紹，在尹方明的奶奶去世後，他曾發手機短信給尹方明，告知其家中變故並希望尹方明能立即趕回。尹方明回複短信說，他暫時在廣州回不去，因為有一個很重要的同學從外地到廣州，而且還帶了同學父親的腦部X光片過來請自己診斷，不過表示在奶奶遺體火化前一定趕回老家，為奶奶送終。“可沒想到奶奶還沒安息，就傳來了哥哥這樣的噩耗。”尹方明的堂弟說， “如果沒有這次意外，哥哥在出事當天就應該會趕回老家的。”
尹方明的堂弟告訴記者，因為擔心已經80多歲的尹方明母親承受不了這種雙重打擊，家裏人都不敢將尹方明被槍擊身亡的噩耗告訴老太太，而且村裏每天安排人值班看護老太太。廣州發生警察槍擊醫院副教授的消息傳到含山後，尹方明母親便不斷撥打尹方明的手機，但總是打不通，於是就讓尹方明的堂弟給他打電話， “我們隻能瞞一天是一天”。
Have some courage to change, don\'t run away!!
送交者: netthing 2007年11月18日08:43:12 於 [教育與學術]http://www.bbsland.com
回 答: 我們要海歸到什麽一個國家? 由 xpt 於 2007年11月17日17:32:32:
For your English level, you\'ll still be an outsider in the USA or wherever you are. Because, after years of studying overseas, your capability of mastering a language is still very poor. That means, you won\'t fit in anywhere except China!! But, but, you think you are too good for China!
The first thing I learn from the western philosophy, is the way of thinking, not the way of doing things. You could get all the doctor\'s degrees or titles you want, but if you don\'t change the way of thinking, you are just a bookworm. Look at all the made in China labels all over the world, how many of them are invented/created by Chinese from nuts & bolts? The way the CCP is thinking, till this day, is still take not think! Russians already dumped Marx.... and all the failure philosophies, Chinese (majority) are still enbracing it like a treasure. How pathetic! We have to dump the communist philosophy right away to make the country better.
From the first day The CCP was established, the philosophy is to take. Take the Marx\'s stupid ideas - against the human nature, to fool Chinese as great imports. Take the rich to feed the people, namely just the party members. Back then, Sun Zhong Shan\'s ideas are being labeled as old, conservative, and stupid! But look at China, how many things our great Party ever invent or create? The CCP took the brightest minds from GuoMinDang to topple ChiangKaiShek\'s ruling, took over a young Republic in the name of People. The CCP took (I should say fooled) the best generals from ChiangKaiShek to defeat the counter-revolutionist, whoever is not the in-crowd. CCP did not contribute in changing China from royal family to a republic. Mao copied everything from Russia, from philosophies, political systems, government strutures, industries, weapons, agricultures... to the Three Gorges Dam. (some strutures inherit from GuoMinDang) Our great fighter J-10 is still powered by foreign jet engine! CCP don\'t know how to build one after almost 60 years of ruling. The ShenZhou space technology we bragged about is an old Russian technology we copied a while ago. Our astronauts are still being trained by Russians. I can go on and on for years to criticize the China today. We simply have no independent technologies at all!!
Back to the strength of modern western philosophies, if there\'s problem, there\'s a solution. Instead of running away from problems, or sitting there feeling good about yourselves, how do we solve all these problems? Where do we begin? How? to change what?
The Communist philosophy poisoned people\'s mind too deep, people don\'t even know how to think for themselves, they just want to survive in the existing systems or just take. Be a Rationalist like Descartes, I think, therefore I am, prove your existence, THINK! Be an independent thinker, a real Chinese thinker!
Has there been a real Chinese thinker?
送交者: xpt 2007年11月18日09:17:19 於 [教育與學術]http://www.bbsland.com
回 答: Have some courage to change, don\'t run away!! 由 netthing 於 2007年11月18日08:43:12:
I liked your self-assurance, at least in pointing out the errors in my writing which was done in 5 minutes. I will go back to China though, eventually, not for the reason of my English. THak you for liting up my path.
I found many misunderstanding in your writing.
1. Marxism is an economic theory, not a political guide for setting a government. It was others who hijacked this idea and turned it into a political ideology.
2. Sun Yet-san (not Sun Zhong Shang) could only go that far due to his limitations. In his later years, his own confusion about where China should go led to the rise of communism and CCP!
3. For some reason, you sound like riding on a very high horse. It sounds very familiar - have we had this from CCP?
Come donw please. A good English with perfect grammar but little content is like a walking-talking zombie.
4. The rest of your ranting about technology and J-10 sounds out of context.
Again, can you provide any solution or suggestion?
送交者: netthing 2007年11月19日00:22:53 於 [教育與學術]http://www.bbsland.com
回 答: Has there been a real Chinese thinker? 由 xpt 於 2007年11月18日09:17:19:
Same here, typing in 5 minutes to enlighten the forum, my intention is not to argue or to fight with anyone. So, leave the personal attack out of this, let\'s move on.
In no way I am supporting CCP. Ever since CCP ruled China, every Chinese start thinking the way Mao want us to think. We grow up in a so called philosophy, self-centered ideology, which led us nowhere. We dumped everything we used to believe and faithfully followed Mao. After we opened the door to the rest of the world in the 70\'s, we found the world is not what we are told. So we change everything.
First, we thought CCP will let us change China\'s political environment. Students & scholars start to talk about the democracy and freedom, any kind of freedom. They went so far and totally forgot about the majority of Chinese - farmers, don\'t understand the benefits of democracy & freedom. Students are so naive, they copied the Statue of Liberty to symbolize the democracy movement, but not the spirit. CCP never teach them how to think independently. They don\'t judge the situation back then to seek the possibilities of small steps. We think exactly like CCP want us to be, don\'t care about the past. Just like Da Ming Da Fang, the movement is crushed.
Second, we start working hard, making money any way we want. We thought that is the true capitalism. Wrong again. After few hundreds years of capitalism, the western world already xxxxed an aliance, or partnership between industries. And there are some principles they follow so they will stay in the boundry to achieve a harmony, a win-win situation. But China is just like a naughty boy, jumping into the ring start turning everything upside down with cut-thoat method to squeeze out every single penny the world has. Again, CCP taught us to aliance with secondary enemy to fight the major enemy. This gives us nothing but enemies.
There are a lot more misteps we made, and we can\'t help but keep making mistakes. Why? Because after we stayed away from the true communism, we just don\'t know how to approach a different way of thinking. We are situated in a state of vacuum, nothing to follow. We don\'t have the environment to appreciate the freedom or democracy. CCP won\'t let us. We don\'t have a basic understanding of respect, respecting other people\'s dignity, respect other people\'s opinions. We just don\'t respect the differences. We polarize everything - if you are not with me, you are against me. All we know is simply hate & kill, everything is a battle. (in various ways)
We have seen a lot of rich people in China. Why aren\'t they being respected by other industrial countrie\'s counterparts? Most Chinese new rich class don\'t feed back to the society they took the rivch from. All they know is take. They don\'t have class! With communism\'s philosophy, we just know how to take. We don\'t know how to share, we don\'t know how to give, therefore we fail to create or think. Taking is much easier!
As you point out the examples of our society problems, do you have any suggestion besides calling people pig? Solution may be not so easy to come by all by yourself, but would you start thinking for China? I don\'t think I\'m so much better than other Chinese, just luckier. But I have been thinking how to change China, in a good way - change the education.
Solutions:
送交者: xpt 2007年11月19日06:26:11 於 [教育與學術]http://www.bbsland.com
回 答: Again, can you provide any solution or suggestion? 由 netthing 於 2007年11月19日00:22:53:
(1) There must be some people, learned people, who take the responsibility to set examples for right moral conduct and professionalism.
All politicians are already corrupted, from the top to the bottom. All businessmen are soaked with blood in their hands. All scholars and professors are busy making money and becoming politicians...
(2) The ordinary people must learn and be aware that they have the God given right of living and be free.
Chinese are known to rather live like a pig happily than live free like an eagle. This must change.
(3) The government must be elected by the people, including the highest ranking officials.
This is the only way that people can see what the people they are, and how they do to the people.
(4) CCP must step down, or become one of the parties competing for the votes from the people. It must not have the God given status to rule China.
(5) There must be a strict law enforcement in China that are free of corruption and independent.
(6) The military must be independent of the CCP. It is a government branch not CCP\'s arms and legs.
送交者: xpt 2007年11月17日17:32:32 於 [教育與學術]http://www.bbsland.com
我們要海歸到什麽一個國家？
China has never been a land of justice and law. We know it too well and too long.I often cannot help but laughing at those who stayed abroad too long and missed Chinese food too much. They are talking going back to China. Those who are already in China would often say, this is your last (last to what?) opportunity to take some important positions in China; How fast China grows, and how easy to get rich. They created a rosy picture of a modern China where you can find money like finding, well, other Chinese on the street.
The truth is that China is getting rich, but at at the same also getting rotten! There has no trace in Chinese history to respect individual. Everyone is a piece in the gigantic machine called 國家, which became the worst under the communist rule since 1949. Sure, you can go back to China and get rich and occupy some important positions. But you are still a small pawn on the game board for the supreme CCP and the rulers. As long as you play the game as the CCP desires you to do, you will be rich and famous.
However, not everything including money and fame can help you if you are in collision with the rule and law in China - it is not designed for you, even you are rich and famous. It is designed for the everlasting rule of CCP!
If you do not believe me, take a look at this poor professor and his family. I am sure he has money and fame. But when he faced the powerful machine, nothing matters.
Be happy in China, my China-man, if you chose to be a pig.
xpt
November 17, 2007
================================================================================
廣州警察槍殺教授：證人父親病危
安徽商報 2007-11-17 16:42:46
15日，尹方明事件唯一證人王燕鳴，其弟弟王俊向調查組提出了包括“王燕鳴在哪？何時能與家人見麵？”等六大疑問，而截至昨日記者發稿時，王俊仍未接到任何回複。
據王俊介紹，家中70歲的父親患有腦血栓等疾病，僅11月15日一晚就因病痛醒來十餘次。“我的要求不過分，孝順父母是人之常情。況且他(王燕鳴)隻是個證人，為什麽連回家見父母的權利都被剝奪？希望廣州警方讓他回家看看，了卻父親的心願！”王俊說，醫院下達的病重通知書上明確寫著：患者病情處於惡化，隨時可能危及生命。“現在的情況讓我太為難，左手右手都是肉，我哥不能不救，我爸也不能不管。”王俊說，如果這兩天王燕鳴的事還沒有進展，他就要考慮暫時回家照顧父親了。“我會考慮請律師，可是很難保證有律師願意接手。”
附：皖籍博士遭警察槍擊身亡其年近八旬老母尚不知情
皖籍博士尹方明廣州遭警察槍擊身亡一案發生已三天多時間，但遠在含山縣環峰鎮西張劉自然村，其年近80的養母還一直被蒙在鼓裏。她告訴記者：“兒子雖然不是我親生的，但比親生的還親，他是我一生最大的驕傲！”
昨天15時左右，記者驅車趕到尹博士遠在含山的老家。因為尹母年歲已高，沒人敢將這一噩耗告訴老人。記者以尹博士朋友身份走進老人家時，正在喂雞鴨的她，滿臉歡喜地將記者迎進屋。“這是兒子給我買的冰箱，這是兒子給我帶回來的藥，這是兒子給我裝的電話……”記者還沒坐定，老太太已經說開了。
“方明是我抱養來的。”尹母告訴記者，早年因為自己隻有一個女兒，盼子心切的她特地托人從劉姓人家將家境貧困的尹方明抱養過來。這些雞就是養著，留著兒子回來吃的，“他今年清明節回來時說，今年年底回來給我做八十大壽，我等著他回來”。
昨天下午，記者來到尹博士的生父母家時，已經兩天沒有吃飯的尹博士的大哥、大姐看到本報的報道禁不住失聲痛哭。“三弟的命太苦了，從小就給人領養，好不容易剛剛熬出頭，就遭遇如此噩耗。”大姐劉本英告訴記者，因為小時候家裏很窮，加上母親又身患重病，實在無力撫養姐弟五人的父母，忍痛割愛將三弟過繼給人。每年清明他都會特地趕回來。今年四月四號到八號，他一直在家呆了好幾天，但我們誰也沒想到這會是最後一麵。(記者王素英)
附：尹方明弟弟提出廣州市公安局不應列入聯合調查組
尹方明弟弟昨向廣東省公安廳紀委書記跪求早日查清真相，並提出廣州市公安局不應列入聯合調查組
公安局作為當事方，不應參與調查；強烈要求早日釋放證人王燕鳴……昨日，尹方明的弟弟先後來到廣東省政府信訪辦、廣東省公安廳信訪辦，正式書麵提出了自己的六點要求，並跪求廣東省公安廳黨委副書記、紀委書記林偉倫早日還哥哥一個清白。他們特別提出，廣州市公安局作為當事方，不應進入聯合調查組，此案應交由檢察機關調查。
昨日上午，尹教授的弟弟劉本寶等人來到廣東省政府信訪辦，正式書麵提出六點請求。信訪辦工作人員立即將此事轉交廣東省公安廳信訪辦。昨日下午，尹教授的弟弟劉本寶等人來到廣東省公安廳信訪辦，廣東省公安廳黨委副書記、紀委書記林偉倫接待了他。“王燕鳴在哪？我們強烈要求早日釋放證人王燕鳴，早日查清事情的真相！”劉本寶十分激動。
尹教授家人特別提出，廣州市公安局作為當事方，不應進入聯合調查組，不應參與事件的調查，此事應交由檢察機關調查。因為廣州市公安局作為被調查對象的所在單位，理應回避。否則，“聯合調查組”也應吸納另一方當事人----死者家屬或死者所在單位指派的人參加。如果廣州市公安局認為對此事件有展開內部調查的必要，可以自行組織本局的警務督察人員進行，並需配合檢察機關獨立調查此事件中警察是否涉及瀆職犯罪。對國家機關工作人員涉嫌職務犯罪進行立案偵查，是檢察機關的職能，公安機關隻有配合和支持檢察權的行使，而不能分享檢察機關的偵查權。
林偉倫告訴劉本寶，這些問題他也不能回答。目前，此事已移交檢察機關，王燕鳴也已移交檢察院。對於事情的進展，他也不知情。不過，他可以將劉本寶的請求轉交有關部門。
臨走時，劉本寶突然雙膝跪地，“請你們早日公布事情真相，還我哥哥一個清白！”
附：奶奶11月11日去世尹方明出事當天本來要回含山
就在尹方明被槍擊身亡的前兩天，也即11月11日，尹方明的奶奶在老家安徽省含山縣去世。據尹方明的堂弟介紹，在尹方明的奶奶去世後，他曾發手機短信給尹方明，告知其家中變故並希望尹方明能立即趕回。尹方明回複短信說，他暫時在廣州回不去，因為有一個很重要的同學從外地到廣州，而且還帶了同學父親的腦部X光片過來請自己診斷，不過表示在奶奶遺體火化前一定趕回老家，為奶奶送終。“可沒想到奶奶還沒安息，就傳來了哥哥這樣的噩耗。”尹方明的堂弟說， “如果沒有這次意外，哥哥在出事當天就應該會趕回老家的。”
尹方明的堂弟告訴記者，因為擔心已經80多歲的尹方明母親承受不了這種雙重打擊，家裏人都不敢將尹方明被槍擊身亡的噩耗告訴老太太，而且村裏每天安排人值班看護老太太。廣州發生警察槍擊醫院副教授的消息傳到含山後，尹方明母親便不斷撥打尹方明的手機，但總是打不通，於是就讓尹方明的堂弟給他打電話， “我們隻能瞞一天是一天”。
Have some courage to change, don\'t run away!!
送交者: netthing 2007年11月18日08:43:12 於 [教育與學術]http://www.bbsland.com
回 答: 我們要海歸到什麽一個國家? 由 xpt 於 2007年11月17日17:32:32:
For your English level, you\'ll still be an outsider in the USA or wherever you are. Because, after years of studying overseas, your capability of mastering a language is still very poor. That means, you won\'t fit in anywhere except China!! But, but, you think you are too good for China!
The first thing I learn from the western philosophy, is the way of thinking, not the way of doing things. You could get all the doctor\'s degrees or titles you want, but if you don\'t change the way of thinking, you are just a bookworm. Look at all the made in China labels all over the world, how many of them are invented/created by Chinese from nuts & bolts? The way the CCP is thinking, till this day, is still take not think! Russians already dumped Marx.... and all the failure philosophies, Chinese (majority) are still enbracing it like a treasure. How pathetic! We have to dump the communist philosophy right away to make the country better.
From the first day The CCP was established, the philosophy is to take. Take the Marx\'s stupid ideas - against the human nature, to fool Chinese as great imports. Take the rich to feed the people, namely just the party members. Back then, Sun Zhong Shan\'s ideas are being labeled as old, conservative, and stupid! But look at China, how many things our great Party ever invent or create? The CCP took the brightest minds from GuoMinDang to topple ChiangKaiShek\'s ruling, took over a young Republic in the name of People. The CCP took (I should say fooled) the best generals from ChiangKaiShek to defeat the counter-revolutionist, whoever is not the in-crowd. CCP did not contribute in changing China from royal family to a republic. Mao copied everything from Russia, from philosophies, political systems, government strutures, industries, weapons, agricultures... to the Three Gorges Dam. (some strutures inherit from GuoMinDang) Our great fighter J-10 is still powered by foreign jet engine! CCP don\'t know how to build one after almost 60 years of ruling. The ShenZhou space technology we bragged about is an old Russian technology we copied a while ago. Our astronauts are still being trained by Russians. I can go on and on for years to criticize the China today. We simply have no independent technologies at all!!
Back to the strength of modern western philosophies, if there\'s problem, there\'s a solution. Instead of running away from problems, or sitting there feeling good about yourselves, how do we solve all these problems? Where do we begin? How? to change what?
The Communist philosophy poisoned people\'s mind too deep, people don\'t even know how to think for themselves, they just want to survive in the existing systems or just take. Be a Rationalist like Descartes, I think, therefore I am, prove your existence, THINK! Be an independent thinker, a real Chinese thinker!
Has there been a real Chinese thinker?
送交者: xpt 2007年11月18日09:17:19 於 [教育與學術]http://www.bbsland.com
回 答: Have some courage to change, don\'t run away!! 由 netthing 於 2007年11月18日08:43:12:
I liked your self-assurance, at least in pointing out the errors in my writing which was done in 5 minutes. I will go back to China though, eventually, not for the reason of my English. THak you for liting up my path.
I found many misunderstanding in your writing.
1. Marxism is an economic theory, not a political guide for setting a government. It was others who hijacked this idea and turned it into a political ideology.
2. Sun Yet-san (not Sun Zhong Shang) could only go that far due to his limitations. In his later years, his own confusion about where China should go led to the rise of communism and CCP!
3. For some reason, you sound like riding on a very high horse. It sounds very familiar - have we had this from CCP?
Come donw please. A good English with perfect grammar but little content is like a walking-talking zombie.
4. The rest of your ranting about technology and J-10 sounds out of context.
Again, can you provide any solution or suggestion?
送交者: netthing 2007年11月19日00:22:53 於 [教育與學術]http://www.bbsland.com
回 答: Has there been a real Chinese thinker? 由 xpt 於 2007年11月18日09:17:19:
Same here, typing in 5 minutes to enlighten the forum, my intention is not to argue or to fight with anyone. So, leave the personal attack out of this, let\'s move on.
In no way I am supporting CCP. Ever since CCP ruled China, every Chinese start thinking the way Mao want us to think. We grow up in a so called philosophy, self-centered ideology, which led us nowhere. We dumped everything we used to believe and faithfully followed Mao. After we opened the door to the rest of the world in the 70\'s, we found the world is not what we are told. So we change everything.
First, we thought CCP will let us change China\'s political environment. Students & scholars start to talk about the democracy and freedom, any kind of freedom. They went so far and totally forgot about the majority of Chinese - farmers, don\'t understand the benefits of democracy & freedom. Students are so naive, they copied the Statue of Liberty to symbolize the democracy movement, but not the spirit. CCP never teach them how to think independently. They don\'t judge the situation back then to seek the possibilities of small steps. We think exactly like CCP want us to be, don\'t care about the past. Just like Da Ming Da Fang, the movement is crushed.
Second, we start working hard, making money any way we want. We thought that is the true capitalism. Wrong again. After few hundreds years of capitalism, the western world already xxxxed an aliance, or partnership between industries. And there are some principles they follow so they will stay in the boundry to achieve a harmony, a win-win situation. But China is just like a naughty boy, jumping into the ring start turning everything upside down with cut-thoat method to squeeze out every single penny the world has. Again, CCP taught us to aliance with secondary enemy to fight the major enemy. This gives us nothing but enemies.
There are a lot more misteps we made, and we can\'t help but keep making mistakes. Why? Because after we stayed away from the true communism, we just don\'t know how to approach a different way of thinking. We are situated in a state of vacuum, nothing to follow. We don\'t have the environment to appreciate the freedom or democracy. CCP won\'t let us. We don\'t have a basic understanding of respect, respecting other people\'s dignity, respect other people\'s opinions. We just don\'t respect the differences. We polarize everything - if you are not with me, you are against me. All we know is simply hate & kill, everything is a battle. (in various ways)
We have seen a lot of rich people in China. Why aren\'t they being respected by other industrial countrie\'s counterparts? Most Chinese new rich class don\'t feed back to the society they took the rivch from. All they know is take. They don\'t have class! With communism\'s philosophy, we just know how to take. We don\'t know how to share, we don\'t know how to give, therefore we fail to create or think. Taking is much easier!
As you point out the examples of our society problems, do you have any suggestion besides calling people pig? Solution may be not so easy to come by all by yourself, but would you start thinking for China? I don\'t think I\'m so much better than other Chinese, just luckier. But I have been thinking how to change China, in a good way - change the education.
Solutions:
送交者: xpt 2007年11月19日06:26:11 於 [教育與學術]http://www.bbsland.com
回 答: Again, can you provide any solution or suggestion? 由 netthing 於 2007年11月19日00:22:53:
(1) There must be some people, learned people, who take the responsibility to set examples for right moral conduct and professionalism.
All politicians are already corrupted, from the top to the bottom. All businessmen are soaked with blood in their hands. All scholars and professors are busy making money and becoming politicians...
(2) The ordinary people must learn and be aware that they have the God given right of living and be free.
Chinese are known to rather live like a pig happily than live free like an eagle. This must change.
(3) The government must be elected by the people, including the highest ranking officials.
This is the only way that people can see what the people they are, and how they do to the people.
(4) CCP must step down, or become one of the parties competing for the votes from the people. It must not have the God given status to rule China.
(5) There must be a strict law enforcement in China that are free of corruption and independent.
(6) The military must be independent of the CCP. It is a government branch not CCP\'s arms and legs.
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