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我其實挺喜歡看李安的電影的。我認為現在的張藝謀和陳凱歌加起來也不敵一個李安。
《色戒》上演後，網上評論不斷。我本來不想說什麽的，因為看了後好象沒什麽感覺。
是我開始變老了麽？絕對不可能！
那怎麽看媒體沸沸揚揚的三場激情戲會沒任何反應？
是不是自己的階級覺悟降低了。這不，又把最近的李安，湯唯和梁朝偉的訪談再讀一遍，還是找不到他們說的感覺。
中午去吃飯，來到了一家中餐館。 店老板說，我剛進的龍蝦，要不要嚐嚐？我說，龍蝦有什麽好吃的。他說，吃貴妃蚌吧。我想想，也沒什麽胃口。點了個陽春麵，再加一盤拌黃瓜，嗯，吃得挺舒服的。
回辦公室的路上，突然想到，不是自己的問題。我覺得李安怎麽就象這店老板一樣，自己認為好的也是別人最要的，不要就是不夠檔次。
李安說，這部電影是給中國人看的。又加了一句，要是沒被統治壓迫過，也很難看懂。湯唯說，這部電影是華語電影的大突破，新方向，是用藝術的肢體語言來表現的電影。梁朝偉說，我有突破，很喜歡。全劇組說，拍完後，我們都哭了。
得了吧，各位！
要按你們說的《色戒》是部藝術價值這麽很高的電影，去看的觀眾得有什麽樣的藝術修養才能理解你們的天賦啊？
去看這部電影的老中，懷著我就一土老帽兒的心情，就想看看你李安憑什麽說俺們是土老帽兒，可能看不懂。
看完以後，發現自己沒那麽慘，您李導就一瞎白話。
整個電影，就看著陳衝的麻將打來打去，梁朝偉走來走去，湯唯說來說去，然後倆人搞來搞去。
人物形象塑造的十分單薄，表演相當生硬，情節變化沒什麽鋪墊，電影演完了，觀眾說，That's it? 。
李安就靠那三場激情戲來賣這部電影？以為看這電影的都沒見過那陣勢吧？
錯了，全見過，沒準兒還全練過。
那這電影除了這還有什麽值錢的東西嗎？ 我看沒有。除了幾個演員和導演自己拚命說好感動以外，好象真還沒什麽人說有什麽好的。
現在的人民覺悟高了，不稀罕那些花裏胡哨的東西。您要打動不了我，我還真不買你的帳。全美票房才50萬，您寒磣人那吧。
李導，您千萬別說您那才叫藝術，一般人不懂。
我們不傻，是您自己糊塗了吧，走錯方向了吧？
這部電影是您拍的最差的一部。不知您事後痛哭什麽，人都是感情動物。能讓您痛哭流涕的，別人也會感動。為什麽觀眾會無所謂？
這部電影是您拍的最差的一部。不知您事後痛哭什麽，人都是感情動物。能讓您痛哭流涕的，別人也會感動。為什麽觀眾會無所謂？
YOU DIDN'T DELIVER WHAT'S IN YOUR HEAD!
李安,您明白了嗎？
李安,您明白了嗎？
我一直都不覺得李安是一個偉大的導演，他不過是取了在兩種主流文化中遊走自如的巧。
他的電影的確細膩，看一部還可以，多了我老覺得有點小氣。
多麽希望中國的導演能拍一部辛德勒的名單或者鋼琴師那樣的電影啊。
《色,戒》被選為美國年度十大恥辱電影(組圖) 中國新聞網
李安執導的《色，戒》中的情欲場麵一直備受爭議，最近更遭美國女影評人協會選為年度十大恥辱電影，女主角湯唯被狠批與梁朝偉的情欲戲等於愛上一名強奸者，有辱女性尊嚴。
據香港媒體報道，由梁朝偉、湯唯主演，李安執導的《色，戒》繼被美國報章《USAToday》選為07年度最令人失望電影後，最近又被美國女性影評人協會(TheWomen Film CriticsCircle，簡稱WFCC)評為07年度十大恥辱影片。
該協會由美國40位女影評人和學者組成，成立隻有三年，銳意令大眾尊重及關注女性地位。協會日前宣布07年度十大恥辱影片(WFCCTopTen HallofShame)，評審準則都是這些影片有沒有違反女性主義，《色，戒》榜上有名，梁朝偉和湯唯被指猶如亞當與夏娃在舊上海，湯唯演繹的王佳芝更被評是愛上一名施虐者/強奸者。
But I feel Liang chao wei performed better than Tang wei. Tang wei looks like the heroie in "Yang ban Xi" in culture revolution.
Both you and li ann is right about something. Feeling is kind thing from you own heart, like every time you read a good article you can get a different perspective. So You can say, you didn't get it. Li ann can say, people who don't have the background won't understand his film. Am I right?
對於這部，我和易中天的觀點一致，不謀而合，正所謂英雄所見略同。
細細體會這部爛片子的都是小資產階級的意思形態在作怪，看不到大的方麵。
當然，有人可以說，我算老幾，易中天是誰這種陳詞爛調。那就沒什麽討論的意思了。
易中天:《色，戒》床戲拍得失敗 內地版無需刪去
文章來源: 華龍網 於 2007-12-15 00:36:45
《色,戒》的床戲拍失敗了
記者：在你昨天的演講中提到了《色,戒》的台詞,你平時很喜歡看電影是吧？
易中天：我看電影非常少,但《色,戒》我看了,還是看的完全版。我認為（內地版）沒有必要刪掉鏡頭,李安拍這個床戲,算是拍失敗了。（床戲）做到了為情節服務,在為主題服務上還是有問題,沒有把他的意思拍出來。
記者：你覺得《色,戒》這部電影成不成功？
易中天：對電影應該有不同標準的評價。藝術分製作和創作,產品和作品是完全不同的,我們現在弄不清中國電影是產品,還是作品？這個問題說不清楚,很難去評價一部電影的成敗。
記者：你怎麽看現在的中國電影？
易中天：對於中國電影來說,先得走向市場,隻要堅守住道德底線,不（要）到為了票房到販毒賣淫的程度。但一旦賺了錢,就要對藝術負責。
記者：那你認為張藝謀已經突破了道德底線了嗎？
易中天：（點點頭）
記者：你說很少看電影,為什麽還去看了《色,戒》,是專門去香港看的嗎？
易中天：順路看的,剛好是亞洲周刊２０周年,不是專門去的,我也舍不得兩張機票錢。
請看我的博客http://lydbk.blog.sohu.com
你對這個電影這種感覺，可能需要看看自己的問題了
觀眾看《色戒》四次笑場 刪減不當理解困難 北京晨報
昨天起，李安的《色，戒》在各大影院全麵上映，記者在采訪時發現，《色，戒》全片出現4次較大規模笑場，更有不少觀眾對王佳芝在最後關頭放過易先生的舉動表示不解。
4次笑場
記者和觀眾一同觀影時發現，這部片長約150分鍾的劇情片共引發了4次較大規模的笑場，其中有李安故意設置的“笑點”，也有觀眾對於劇情的不同理解。
笑場1 王力宏(聽歌)喊口號
以鄺裕民(王力宏飾)為首的6名嶺南大學愛國學生在香港演出抗日救亡的話劇。王佳芝扮演的農家女對鄺裕民扮演的戰士下跪，感謝他在戰場上殺敵，表情很誇張。最後兩人大喊：“中國不能亡！”台下觀眾愣了幾秒之後，也跟著喊出這句話。片中人物熱血沸騰，影院裏觀眾卻爆發出了笑聲。觀眾沈小姐在映後告訴記者，她之所以笑是因為沒想到這樣大喊口號的場景也會出現在李安的片子裏。“在曆史題材的主旋律電影中倒是經常看到，但在《色，戒》裏出現讓我覺得特別不真實。”
笑場2 刺殺是暑假打工？
鄺裕民等人的“刺殺計劃”收效甚微。鬱悶之餘，六人在海灘練習射酒瓶。爭執之間，一位同學漫不經心地脫口而出：“再不動手學校就要開學了。”讓已經入戲的觀眾突然意識到，他們原來隻是一群學生，這個沉重而殘酷的“刺殺計劃”其實就是他們的另一種暑期打工而已。讓觀眾不禁開懷一笑。
笑場3 易先生被感動？
易先生約王佳芝在日本人的餐廳吃飯，王佳芝為他唱起了《天涯歌女》，冷血的易先生居然被感動得流淚。觀眾的笑聲又一次在影院響起。“我覺得太突兀了！那麽一個冷血的人，居然會被一首歌感動得流淚，我覺得很好笑。”觀眾王先生說。
笑場4 易先生變“飛人”
聽到王佳芝那句“走吧”，幾秒鍾的時間裏，易先生從臉上掛著微笑，變作了然的驚駭，然後拔腿就跑。衝出珠寶店大門，易先生大喊一聲“車門”，隨後身體就像箭一樣“射”進打開的車門內，速度堪比劉翔。這樣戲劇化的場麵引爆了全場最後一次大規模笑聲。此處，是劇情的發展，非常貼合角色的個性，意料之外情理之中。
1個疑惑
電影放映結束後，“王佳芝最後為什麽要放過易先生？”是觀眾相互問得最多的一個問題，這也成了《色，戒》的一個終極疑惑。觀眾張小姐表示：“當時他們的人都已經在珠寶店附近埋伏好了，王佳芝進門前也已經用餘光掃到了她的同伴。而易先生隻帶了一個司機，這是幹掉他的最好機會了，基本上可以說是萬無一失，我就不明白為什麽她會在最後關頭反悔，拋棄同伴、拋棄愛國的理想、甚至拋棄自己的生命？”張小姐還開玩笑地說：“難道就是因為一顆鴿子蛋大的鑽石？那麽我們女同胞就應該從《色，戒》中學到一個道理，不要亂收別人送的鑽石，否則會付出很高代價的。”李先生也覺得這樣的結尾有些牽強。“我知道當然是因為王佳芝最後愛上了易先生，才放他一馬，你看她後來在人力車上的表情是多麽神采飛揚。但是因為之前沒有足夠的鋪墊，王佳芝就像是被一顆石頭感動了一樣，讓人難以信服。我相信李安不會犯這樣的低級錯誤，或許鋪墊就在被刪掉的情節裏。”
記者也采訪了曾在香港看過全本《色，戒》的嚴先生，他認為王佳芝最後的舉動完全合情合理。“我一點沒感覺到突兀，反而覺得要是她不那麽做才不正常呢。其實這是一個由性而愛的過程，性被刪掉了，愛自然就會讓人覺得牽強。”
晨報記者 楊蓮潔
: ) I can understand why and how you feel about that.
我對這部電影沒有興趣，隻是網絡媒體的評論引起了我的興趣，我在想，是張愛玲什麽樣的一部小說吸引了李大導的注意力，而且他還嚐試了一種格外大膽的風格？
我沒有怎麽看過她的小說。但是，因為這部電影，我從網絡上搜索到了這篇小說的原著。仔細看了兩遍，終於明白了為什麽她的小說能跨越半個多世紀依然風靡的原因。她對情有著至真至純的追求，她有著洞察世事的一對雪亮的慧眼。
這篇小說的幾句話，讓我開始喜歡她的文字了
權勢是一種春藥。（我想出了一句，金錢是一種偉哥。）
又有這句諺語：“到男人心裏去的路通過胃。”是說男人好吃，碰上會做菜款待他們的女人，容易上鉤。於是就有人說：“到女人心裏的路通過陰道。”據說是民國初年精通英文的那位名學者說的，名字她叫不出，就曉得他替中國人多妻辯護的那句名言：“隻有一隻茶壺幾隻茶杯，哪有一隻茶壺一隻茶杯的？”（過去，得到一個女人的身體也就是得到了一個女人的心。可是現在呢？）
他對戰局並不樂觀。知道他將來怎樣？得一知己，死而無憾。他覺得她的影子會永遠依傍他，安慰他。雖然她恨他，她最後對他的感情強烈到是什麽感情都不相幹了，隻是有感情。他們是原始的獵人與獵物的關係，虎與倀的關係，最終極的占有。她這才生是他的人，死是他的鬼。（ 我不知道，女子的癡情，愛情，換來的這樣的結局值不值， 不過現在的女子都不傻了）。
我對這小說的背景等都不作評論，隻是從女主角的心路曆程來看，如果換作是我，也許，在當時那樣的場景下，我也許也會那樣做，沒有女人願意一個深愛自己的男人死在自己的手上。。。 男的提出買個鑽戒給她做紀念，當他們在燈光下挑選戒指，男的微笑看著她，並且爽快打下十一個金條買下一顆有價無市的鑽石戒指，女的看到男人的目光，轟然倒塌，失去了防線，泄密讓男的逃跑造成刺殺流產，後來男的把女的一夥人當晚全部都殺了，除了一個逃跑。
終於明白，鑽戒這個精致的東西，一定得是男人買給女人的，戒指是一個神聖的信物！
我也是報著很大的期待去看這部電影的。我去的是學術電影小劇場，觀眾不少都是學電影的學生。放映過程中居然有陣陣的笑聲。一個學生說，An Lee is going down.
By MANOHLA DARGIS
Published: September 28, 2007
NEW YORK TIME
“Lust, Caution” — a truer title would be “Caution: Lust” — is a sleepy, musty period drama about wartime maneuvers and bedroom calisthenics, and the misguided use of a solid director. Based on a short story about Japanese-occupied Shanghai and Hong Kong, it was directed by Ang Lee, the Taiwanese-born, Hollywood-cultivated filmmaker who brought “Brokeback Mountain” to the screen. In that earlier romance, the love between two male sheepherders can scarcely speak its name, much less easily drop its jeans; by contrast, there’s little left to the imagination in “Lust, Caution,” other than the inspiration for Mr. Lee’s newfound flirtation with kink.
And flirtation is the word, despite the shoving and hitting, a few harsh lashes and geometric configurations that put me in mind of high school geometry more than it did the Kama Sutra. The Motion Picture Association of America, that tireless, cheerless band of Comstocks who regulate all things sexual and few things violent on behalf of the major studios, has saddled the film with an NC-17 rating — no one 17 and under admitted, even with an adult — because of “some explicit sexuality.” The horrors of female nudity (unshaven armpits!) and the vigorous pantomime of coitus apparently offended the sensibilities of the M.P.A.A., which routinely bestows R ratings to movies in which characters are tortured to death for kicks.
Me, I blushed at the grimly determined image of the Hong Kong actor Tony Leung Chiu-Wai, the great, grave, soulful heart of Wong Kar-wai films like “In the Mood for Love” and “2046,” bunching up the sheets as this new film’s resident villain and cad. As Mr. Yee, a Chinese official getting his hands bloody working for the Japanese occupiers, the actor slinks around the shadows like a specter of evil. (A fine Joan Chen flexes her red claws as his wife.) Yee is meant to be a bad, bad man, but mostly he comes across as a sad, sad man with flexible limbs and a taste for rough. He knocks rather than sweeps women off their feet, and his latest playmate, Mrs. Mak (Tang Wei), likes it that way.
Or maybe not. One of the film’s anemic conceits is that this playmate is really a drama club member, named Wong, swept up in a preposterous conspiracy against Yee. See, she’s playing a role. But her imitation of life has its limits, perhaps because the filmmakers have tried to squeeze an epic out of an exceedingly slender short story. However evocative, the transformation of this virginal creature — who looks most plausible (and all of 15) in long braids and no visible makeup — into a lethally minded femme fatale, a Mata Hari in a cheongsam, fails to convince. And it fails to convince at a ludicrous 158 minutes. (Mr. Lee’s adaptation of the Jane Austen novel “Sense and Sensibility” clocks in at a smooth 135.)
Like too many films that try to put a human face on history without really engaging with it, “Lust, Caution” feels at once overpadded and underdeveloped: it’s all production design and not enough content. The screenwriters James Schamus and Wang Hui Ling, who last collaborated on Mr. Lee’s lavish martial arts entertainment “Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon,” have puffed up and sexed up Eileen Chang’s original story without adding any psychological depth or sociopolitical heft. (Oddly, the story line echoes Paul Verhoeven’s equally absurd, if livelier and more lurid, World War II-era romp, “Black Book.”) That’s particularly hard on Tang Wei, whose pretty bow mouth and gentle, hothouse manner feel terribly ill suited to a role that calls for cunning, for the emotional violence of sacrifice, betrayal, fanaticism, lust.
Her seasoned co-star fares better, even if he’s playing more of a conceit than a character. A poet of hurt, Mr. Leung suggests worlds of pain with his melancholic eyes — few actors convey desire as beautifully or with such reserve. (Unlike Jake Gyllenhaal, another performer whose dreamy gaze pulls you in as if into deep waters, you never catch Mr. Leung working his eyes, widening them for easy emotional effect.) In his best films, including “In the Mood for Love,” Mr. Leung doesn’t do much talking: he looks, he conquers. This makes him seem like a perfect match for Mr. Lee, who has a way of giving lyrical expression to mute desire. He can turn a sigh into a declaration of love, but he can’t turn minor soft-core shocks into poetry.
“Lust, Caution” has been rated NC-17 (No one 17 and under admitted). Think pay-cable soft-core pornography, not the video-store back room.
Reviewed By: Cynthia Fuchs ZT
The primary question in Ang Lee's LUST, CAUTION is: "What is real?" The answers are complex -- both nebulous and harsh -- and they emerge very slowly, since the action takes place over several years, and the film itself runs nearly three hours.
Suffused with cigarette smoke and punctuated by clacking mahjong tiles, this lush melodrama is set during World War II, mostly in Japanese-occupied Shanghai (with brief respites in still-British Hong Kong). At its center is an espionage plot, but that's mostly a scaffolding for the remarkable, intricate relationship between Mr. Yee (Tony Leung) -- a Japanese collaborator and the brutal head of Shanghai's secret police -- and Wang (Tang Wei), a young Chinese patriot posing as a wealthy businessman's wife in order to set up Yee's assassination. Her group is so dedicated to this cause that even when their scheme is thwarted because Yee and his wife (Joan Chen) leave Shanghai, they pick it up again three years later.
This dedication is, the movie proposes, partly a function of self-delusion. Not only do Wang's compatriots believe in the absolute good of their self-appointed mission, but they also believe in the absolute evil of their prey. As Wang crosses emotional and moral borders during her performance, she comes to see the problems with making such black-and-white distinctions.
It's not that Yee can be forgiven for his violence -- his men arrest and execute resistance workers daily -- but that her own work is fraught with ethical grey areas. Her deceptions make her feel like a prostitute, a role that her mentor, Kuang (Wang Lee-Hom), can't quite understand. He does, however, come to feel a mix of guilt and jealousy as he begins to fall in love with her -- though he never tells her (which is also form of deception, born of his dedication to the cause).
Lust, Caution has garnered attention for its explicit sex scenes, and several aren't just graphic but also violent, illustrating Yee's cruelty and confusion (he's desperate to feel powerful) as well as Wang's desperate need to feel intimate with him, even at the cost of her well-being.
But these scenes also serve a thematic purpose, raising questions about what's "real" in sex performed for films that aren't designated "pornography." At the same time, the sex scenes provide moments of sincere connection for Wang and Yee: The characters see each another as "real" when they engage in sweaty, acrobatic acts, taking emotional risks they don't take at any other time. Vulnerable and aggressive, their closeness in these moments is unsafe -- but also, for them, the safest they feel.
When Wang at last articulates her pain for Kuang and their resistance cell leader, Old Wu (Chung Hua Tou), the scene is startling because of her frankness, as well as the men's abandonment of her. Unlike Yee, who forces his way into her heart, they feel flummoxed by her deion of sex and violent fantasies (she imagines shooting Yee herself) and tell her she must continue with the work that is so plainly upsetting her. While the thematic point seems obvious -- that patriotism needs prostitutes -- Wang's anguish and sudden understanding provide this sometimes lugubrious thriller's most chilling moment.
Fans might also want to see Lee's Brokeback Mountain, or a couple of great films starring Leung -- Infernal Affairs and In the Mood for Love. You might also check out the thematically similar (though more hectic) film Black Book.
In Ang Lee's Lust, Caution, a painfully high-toned erotic drama set in Japanese-occupied Shanghai during World War II, Tony Leung, as a poshly repressed Chinese government minister, and Tang Wei, as a willowy student resistance fighter who seduces him as part of an assassination plot, spend a fair amount of time with their clothes off. (At least, they do once you've sat through an eternity of muffled espionage noodling.) It's fair to say that most of what they do in their nakedness is easy on the eyes. The first time the two go at it, Leung, a veteran Hong Kong matinee idol who can look about as severe as Dracula, pulls off his belt and administers a beating to get her in the mood. Tang, a flashing-eyed newcomer wearing complicated hair and a conspiratorial bud of a smile, responds with gasps of pleasure. There are ripples of coercion and torment throughout their lovemaking — an ecstasy just this side of agony. Torsos glisten, limbs intertwine as if they belonged to double-jointed acrobats, and at one point there's a shot of intercourse that, unless Lee is using some effects that George Lucas never thought of concocting, makes it look a lot like the two actors are truly doing it.
The real kink, however, is in the situation. Tang's Wong Chia Chi is a student spy, part of a group of young radicals who want to bring down Leung's high-level collaborator, but she is also turned on by his power, his domineering fascist-aristocratic entitlement — everything she claims to despise about him politically. She loves him, in part, because she hates him. As for Leung's Mr. Yee, he has never tapped a desire this dark. For years, directors have dreamed of making a serious erotic drama with lyrically raunchy, even hardcore sex scenes. In films like 9 Songs and the nifty Shortbus, the dream has recently come true — and audiences have yawned. Lust, Caution is the latest NC-17 hothouse, and as long as the two actors are writhing, locked in a grip of sadomasochistic romance, the movie has an avid sensual glow.
The rest of the time (and that's a lot of time — it's 2 hours and 38 minutes long), Lust, Caution is like a '40s Hollywood thriller made sedate and gorgeous and aesthetic and remote. Ang Lee, as he proved in Brokeback Mountain, can be a master at teasing out the emotion roiling under the surface of things, but Lust, Caution has more surface than emotion. Based on the Eileen Chang short story, the movie would have been better staged as fast, tawdry, voluptuous pulp, which is really all it is.
Lee makes the assassination plot maddeningly repetitious. There's nothing too interesting about this student group — its leader, played by Asian pop star Wang Leehom, is a humorless fanatic — and the fact that Wong's sympathies get tangled as they do is a complication Lee takes far too long to get to. At a restaurant, or a tailor's shop, Leung and Tang work to make their tango of repression vivid, but the scenes are so static and freighted it's as if Lee were fetishizing their reserve. Lust, Caution wants us to feel the erotic ping of buttoned-up people ripping open those buttons, but too often it's the film's drama that's under wraps. C+
Posted Sep 26, 2007
關於票房:
如果認真關心的話, 您會注意到, 此片上映的前兩周,全美隻有紐約林肯中心藝術影院一家放映,所以最初票房總值不高.
後來洛山機才開始放映, 陸續有更多影院放, 但也隻是在那些偏重藝術類電影的影院, 影院數不到一般新片的10%.
對一家影院而言, 前兩周50萬票房已是出類拔萃了. 聽說晚上的場次都是滿座的. 提前一小時就賣光了. 俺自己是提前下班去看的, 場內有90%的上座率. 正麵評價很多. 當然也有很不欣賞的. :-)
I have deleted your original post because:
1. I have every right to do so.
2. You have used insulting language at your original post.
You have corrected me nothing because you simply did not get my point.
You can like the movie, and I have no problem with that. I am here to address the issue that Li An is heading towards the wrong direction by telling people they might not be able to understand this movie yet the matter of fact is, he didn't deliver what's in his head.
BTY, I always have been a fan of Li An, but I don't like this movie.
If you don't like what I said, then you can leave.
This is my blog, I am only interested in reading those insightful comments from intelligent people.
1．除了幾個演員和導演自己拚命說好感動以外，好象真還沒什麽人說有什麽好的。
《色戒》早已獲得金獅獎，對影片持肯定態度的影評到處都是，在文學城就可以看到很多，也有很多跟貼，這些都是有目共睹。
2．全美票房才50萬，您寒磣人那吧。
截至前天美國票房已達到$2,284,572. 香港和台灣的票房更是氣勢如虹，破了幾項紀錄。這些也都是有目共睹。
你不喜歡影片沒什麽不對，但言論要基於事實。
Good for you then ~~ : )
夏蟲不可言冰。ZT, Period, ZT
Period.
"三場激情戲一是這部電影的賣點..." ----這是媒體講的。媒體隻盯著床戲，但觀眾可不能隻看那三場戲，要看整體。
整個電影沒有壓抑感，沒能吸引觀眾，沒能給觀眾在心靈上的震撼，所以，我說，這是李安的失敗。---- 俺看完電影，心情很壓抑，最後的結尾很令人震撼，在那裏又坐了五分鍾才走。
你在那裏看見了張愛玲的下半身理論?
"強烈討厭張愛玲的下半身理論，還自以為是的強加到所有女人身上。自認在那樣的年代也不會是什麽仁人誌士的我真的沒辦法和打著愛情旗號做姘婦的女一號產生什麽共鳴。回答有些人的說法，現實是挺“殘酷”的，昨天一樣今天也一樣，但是沒人逼你做，要是你說是“愛情”，我無語。我真的是不懂藝術的，但是即使坐在黑暗的影院裏也覺得集體欣賞A片是一件萬分尷尬的事。沒弄明白這位的論調“他們和您不同,他們不是去看性愛戲的快感的.”其實我等是真的沒看出您說的“性愛戲的快感”，所以弄不明白王加之怎麽愛上老易的？！你們都是很懂藝術的，是李導的知音，想必你們看出了其中的快感，所以才有了感同身受的樣子。"
說的好精彩！！！可圈可點! ! !
你說的也沒什麽不對的，我要提醒李安的是別走張藝謀陳凱歌等人的所謂“玩”電影的假大空路線，自己閉門造車也就算了，不要說觀眾不接受可能檔次不夠。
強烈討厭張愛玲的下半身理論，還自以為是的強加到所有女人身上。自認在那樣的年代也不會是什麽仁人誌士的我真的沒辦法和打著愛情旗號做姘婦的女一號產生什麽共鳴。回答有些人的說法，現實是挺“殘酷”的，昨天一樣今天也一樣，但是沒人逼你做，要是你說是“愛情”，我無語。我真的是不懂藝術的，但是即使坐在黑暗的影院裏也覺得集體欣賞A片是一件萬分尷尬的事。沒弄明白這位的論調“他們和您不同,他們不是去看性愛戲的快感的.”其實我等是真的沒看出您說的“性愛戲的快感”，所以弄不明白王加之怎麽愛上老易的？！你們都是很懂藝術的，是李導的知音，想必你們看出了其中的快感，所以才有了感同身受的樣子。
我喜歡色戒，雖然說不上是李安最好的作品，但裏麵的亂世離情，說不清道不明的欲望，愛恨。。。沒有大的什麽主義，隻有一個愛演戲，生活在自己虛幻世界中的王佳芝。。。讓人覺得生命沒有歸處，飄零感不安定感。。。
"導演和劇組太高調，那種宣傳太商業語言，好像不喜歡就是不懂藝術，而一些觀眾怕被別人說不懂而人雲亦雲"
李安說北美的票房不會好，因為是中國的文化。而中國人要沒在占領區生活過，也不會感受到。這麽說來，1949年以後出生的中國大陸人都會看不明白了。還有人說，你要沒看過書，也不會理解。
愛，恨，色，情，乃人之常情，一個破電影對觀眾有那麽多的要求，難道去看您的電影咱還得沐浴更衣不成？
可算有人看明白了，哈哈哈哈。謝謝。
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"但這部“色戒”是他的失敗。
他要走這個方向的話，很快就會被好萊塢淘汰。"
黑色幽默，佩服佩服，哈哈
謝謝彩雲的評語。
其實，不要把寫小說搞電影的看得有多神秘多了不起。很多人也就是混飯吃。誰都有精品和爛東西。
作為大師，最大的本事就是能比一般人多出精品。但時不時地也有令人不滿的作品。
藝術家要有靈魂也要有能力來表達他/她的藝術思維。
千萬別打著藝術的旗幟嚇唬別人。
最可惡的是真把觀眾當成鄉下來的民工來隨便耍耍。
偶然路過的人:
我說的你可能接受不了，別的不敢說，但我絕對比你懂電影。
我研究電影不是一天兩天的了。李安和他的作品是我比較喜歡的。但這部“色戒”是他的失敗。
他要走這個方向的話，很快就會被好萊塢淘汰。
puppymom18:
你錯了。
三場激情戲一是這部電影的賣點，二是李安所說的湯VS梁在心靈和肉體上的搏鬥進而融合在一起的曆程，三是所有劇組人所說的華語電影的突破。
這三場戲是“色戒”的重戲，共拍了九天，是李安最要表現的高潮。
不評這三場戲，就不要評這部電影。
然而，對於我來說，再說一遍，對於我個人來說，李安這三場戲是敗筆。
整個電影沒有壓抑感，沒能吸引觀眾，沒能給觀眾在心靈上的震撼，所以，我說，這是李安的失敗。
說得很對。您的確沒有變老。
您的這種感覺隻能說明您還不夠老。
現在這世道討厭也是需要資格的
noso的觀點很獨到， 對電影的概括也相當精辟。 當一個導演乃至整個劇組都沉溺於自我陶醉的時候， 需要的就是這樣的當頭棒喝。 建議全色戒劇組傳閱~~~
noso的觀點很獨到， 對電影的概括也相當精辟。 當一個導演乃至整個劇組都沉溺於自我陶醉的時候， 需要的就是這樣的當頭棒喝。 建議全色戒劇組傳閱~~~
上了。
Well, this is my blog and I say whatever I want to say. Thanks for coming.
問題就在於你所說的也是李安所要表現的，在我看來，都沒表現出來。為什麽？這就是人物形象塑造太單薄。
I don't feel the love between 王佳芝 and her lover, to me, there is no passion at all. So when she slept with his friend not him, I actually was laughing because I don't believe it could ever happen and I think the whole thing is ridiculous.
Now, if she slept with her lover then slept with the Hanjian, now we are talking about a movie that will be very intersting.
如果你覺得別人可以有其他意見，也可以同這個電影產生共鳴的話，那希望你評論不要太mean。
你的意見大家都知道了，你也沒有必要再三說服喜歡這個電影的人去改變他們的看法。拳當喜歡這個電影的都是低能，低品味吧。
謝謝 noso. :-)
關於前兩場床戲："當一個花季少女，大學新生王佳芝（湯唯)，為了色誘並刺殺易先生，假拌商人太太；為了在與可能上床之時不再是處女，麵對心中暗戀的學長(王力宏），與曾嫖妓的同學“惡補”性經曆。“嫖客”是他／她們當中唯一有過經驗的人，別無選擇。心中也在暗戀王佳芝的學長親手把“嫖客”送上少女的床。沒有爭論，沒有選擇，沒有哭泣，沒有勸慰，也沒時間悲傷，剩下的隻有畫麵上演員的茫然無言，和畫麵下觀眾的悲傷心顫。"
關於三場梁VS湯的床戲: "記者都很關心此事, 每次見到李安都會追問, 搞的李安很不耐煩 -- 不關心影片的藝術與內含, 隻想八卦。"
"是那可惡的戰爭，奪走了原本美麗的童真，甜蜜的愛情，幸福的生活，燦爛的人生；卻還給人們不堪回首的失真，不敢企盼的愛情，苦澀空虛的生活，早早謝幕的人生。戰爭不僅拿走了生命，還拿走了真善美，玷汙了人的靈魂，扭曲了人的本性。世界什麽時候才能不再有戰爭？"
http://blog.wenxuecity.com/blogview.php?date=200710&postID=1827
http://blog.wenxuecity.com/blogview.php?date=200710&postID=25176
一孔之見，惹您見笑。蘿卜青菜，各有所愛，都是正常的。:-)
Check this out:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=lustcaution.htm
The opening night only earned $60,000.00 some dollars.
It has been alomst a month, the box office revenue is only $2 Mil.
The film costed $15 Mil and so far worldwide only sold for $13 Mil.
I got that number from a media report when I saw the movie. Where did u get this $19 M number from? May I have the link please?
謝謝來訪，非常喜歡你拍的照片。
你說的那兩場就別提了，最大的敗筆。我說的這三場是梁VS湯的戲，也是李安所津津樂道的，生怕別人看不懂的三場。
我說的當然是一家之言。
另外，一部好的電影，比如說美國的“教父”，也是取材於小說。你不用看小說也會體會到導演的功力。
華人導演裏，李安是有能力的。但這部電影從劇本到演員都不怎麽樣。李安要麽力不從心，要麽是走錯了方向。
我認為他走錯了方向。
俺在首映的第一周就去看了這部電影。５個床上場麵（不是３個）都是為劇情所需要的。看後感到很沉重，引人深思。下麵是俺的觀後感，和另一篇影評。謝謝。
http://blog.wenxuecity.com/blogview.php?date=200710&postID=1827
http://blog.wenxuecity.com/blogview.php?date=200710&postID=25176
Thanks. : )
我是帶著崇拜大師的心情去看的。沒想到令人如此失望，整個就一失敗。
謝謝。以前聽巴黎MM常說起你來著。我跟她也很熟。歡迎你。: )
“整個電影，就看著陳衝的麻將打來打去，梁朝偉走來走去，湯唯說來說去，然後倆人搞來搞去。”
說得絕，讓人忍俊不盡。
對了，咱不能太刻薄了，要寬以待人 （不是寬衣待人）。 謝謝在崇拜聲中講了些不同的聲音。
用李安自己的話說，他是閉門造車。一開始還以為他謙虛，後來看了這個電影還真的是這樣。
這部電影整體沒有壓抑感，所以性愛戲也就沒有快感。
這東西跟藝術無關。離好的色情篇又差的遠。
小李以為自己是中國人民的大救星/解放者呐。
姥姥不喜舅舅不愛的。全劇組接著哭吧！
why? 江郎才盡~~ : )
中國的這些大導演們，包括李安吧，他是黃皮膚的中國人。
中國好不容易出了一個張藝謀，讓外國人見識了中國的電影的藝術，雖然又土又窮又落後，可是還比較實在。。可是人成名後。不知怎的弄出個大片
哈哈，謝謝，這個電影沒拍好。
國人電影有一個共同的特點：
說好的都是導演和演員自己，老要以藝術的名義要提高觀眾的欣賞力。好象花錢看電影的都是民工似的。
其實自己沒有本事就說自己沒本事，別老說別人不行。
說到底就是一個“騙”字。
李安不同，可這部片子他搞砸了，也開始忽悠了。
我想他是盡力了，可是力不從心。
本以為他能把性愛拍得很不同，很美。可惜，還沒三級片的水平。
小佳寶好。Well said indeed.
有幾個問題：
1。國內的看三級片比國外的還多。李安錯判了。
2。不能因為電影不好，要去看原著來理解電影。要看的話，是李安要多看幾遍，不要亂改，要改也要改好一些。
3。北美觀眾的檔次很高，沒什麽看不懂的，都是博士碩士畢業，都看過張愛齡的小說，怎麽可能看不懂？
4。這部電影，李安沒有DELIVER。我很失望，因為我是他的粉絲。
哈哈，好久不見了。歡迎歡迎。
這些玩電影太能炒作了，以為觀眾真是傻子那。
歡迎你，“一級棒”，哈哈。well said indeed.
我覺得李安開始步張藝謀的後塵：開始自戀了。很可惜。
色戒是張愛玲的一部很凝練的小說,在小說中每一個字似乎都需要人去仔細琢磨體會,方能悟出其中,所以電影要演員表達出並準確傳送給觀者應該不是易事,我認為作者原意本來是說----性與活著的狀態--哪一個處在上位或者下位或者側位?以及男人與女人的不同理解,如果不看兩遍原著,很難貼切理解.
“李安就靠那三場激情戲來賣這部電影？以為看這電影的都沒見過那陣勢吧？
錯了，全見過，沒準兒還全練過。
我希望李安不是到頭了，才拍這種電影。實在可惜他的才華。本來男女私情，是倆人之間的事，實在沒有必要再用他自己所謂的藝術表現出來。好像，隻有他們懂藝術似的。男女做愛，不是新鮮事，實在用不著假借藝術的口號，來標新立異，說穿了，不就是那一套。謝謝您的分享！很有同感！