明年開始,for higher earner, catchup 401k隻能用稅後的錢,ugh

本帖於 2025-09-24 16:25:58 時間, 由普通用戶 TigerLady 編輯

One of the biggest retirement-saving perks for workers age 50 and older is about to get new restrictions.

Starting next year, the extra catch-up contributions that those workers use to stow money in their 401(k)s will have to go into their accounts after tax for high earners. The Internal Revenue Service issued final rules this month on a 2022 law, which set the threshold for a high earner at more than $145,000 in wages.

This change means many workers will pay taxes on their catch-up money upfront during high-earning years instead of in lower-earning years in retirement. The money would go into a Roth account, where it can later be withdrawn tax-free. 

It is the first time the tax code is mandating Roth savings, which give the government its cut up front.
 

A 60-year-old in the 35% tax bracket could lose a nearly $4,000 deduction for an $11,250 super catch-up contribution. That raises adjusted gross income, which could disqualify people from other tax breaks that phase out at higher income levels, such as deductions for student-loan interest and for state and local taxes. It could also push these workers into higher tax brackets.

The worst-case scenario is for high earners who don’t have access to a Roth 401(k). They won’t be able to make catch-up contributions at all.

How 401(k) catch-up contributions work

Savers age 50 and older can contribute an extra $7,500 on top of the basic $23,500 limit for 2025. A special super catch-up option allows people between 60 and 63 years old to increase their catch-up contribution to $11,250.

These limits are generally adjusted for inflation each year. For 2026, the catch-up limit is estimated to be $8,000 and the basic limit $24,500, according to Milliman, an actuarial firm. The super catch-up limit of $11,250 is expected to stay the same.

How the $145,000 threshold works

The $145,000 threshold for losing the pretax catch-up option is based on the employee’s prior-year income. It is also indexed for inflation. That would mean, according to Milliman’s estimates, someone with more than $150,000 of wage income this year at one job would be limited to making Roth catch-ups next year.

The threshold applies separately to each employer the person works for. So a high earner who works two jobs could make pretax catch-ups in 2026 if their 2025 wages are under the threshold at either or both employers, said Nina Lantz, director of employee-benefits research at Milliman.
 

Since the wage limit looks back to the previous year at the same employer, new employees could get a free pass from the mandatory Roth requirement in the first year or two, said Ian Berger, an individual-retirement-account analyst with Ed Slott & Co. in Rockville Centre, N.Y. 

The Roth catch-up mandate also won’t apply to high earning self-employed people who don’t have traditional wages from an employer. They will be able to continue making pretax 401(k) catch-ups.

What if your 401(k) doesn’t have a Roth option?

Plans aren’t required to offer a Roth 401(k) option, though employers have been scrambling to add it. Among Fidelity-managed 401(k)s, 95% offer a Roth, up from 73% two years ago. Among Vanguard-managed 401(k)s, 86% offer a Roth.

If a 401(k) doesn’t offer Roth contributions, high earners would be shut out from making catch-ups.

When older high-paid employees who get shut out start complaining, more plans will likely offer the feature, Berger said.

Are there benefits to a Roth?

Employees favor the upfront tax deduction that comes with the pretax 401(k). Ninety-six percent of participants in Vanguard-managed plans are offered a Roth, but only 18% of them use it.

While the Roth mandate looks harsh, for some savers it could be beneficial. “While they’re paying tax on the money today to put it in the Roth, they’ll have a tax-free retirement income stream,” says Joseph Perry, a certified public accountant with CBIZ Advisors in Melville, N.Y. 

The law change could be an opportunity for savers to re-examine investments, he said. People often spread their savings among pretax, Roth and nonretirement brokerage accounts. (With brokerage accounts, interest income, dividends and capital gains are taxable.)
 

Many high earners have too much in pretax accounts, and are trying to save more in Roth, Perry said. 

“Maybe it’s not just the catch-up contributions that should go in the Roth. Maybe it’s your whole 401(k),” he said.

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好事?以前不讓存Roth -恒媽- 給 恒媽 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 09/24/2025 postreply 16:05:12

應該算是好事吧,可以存after tax 的,跟投Roth一樣了。 -小小試一下水- 給 小小試一下水 發送悄悄話 小小試一下水 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 09/24/2025 postreply 16:10:58

不算好事吧?本來可以自己選放在哪裏現在被規定隻能放after tax -Croissant_22- 給 Croissant_22 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 09/24/2025 postreply 16:13:07

基本上都是高收入的選不了的,以前隻能是稅前 -恒媽- 給 恒媽 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 09/24/2025 postreply 16:16:20

啥意思啊?catch up不是可以自己選擇稅前還是稅後嗎?我又理解錯了? -Croissant_22- 給 Croissant_22 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 09/24/2025 postreply 16:27:25

401k有稅前,Roth, 稅後三種。catchup 401k 是稅前,60-63有super catchup 401k -TigerLady- 給 TigerLady 發送悄悄話 TigerLady 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 09/24/2025 postreply 16:32:03

我又去看了一眼Schwab,catch-up也是可以選401k或者Roth的,可能每個公司不一樣 -Croissant_22- 給 Croissant_22 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 09/24/2025 postreply 16:50:35

這是由你公司加入的退休係統有關。 -不常冒泡- 給 不常冒泡 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 09/24/2025 postreply 17:03:59

應該是,我們公司有401k/roth 401k/mega backdoor -Croissant_22- 給 Croissant_22 發送悄悄話 (76 bytes) () 09/24/2025 postreply 17:05:34

Roth有收入限製,所謂的“高”收入人群以前是不給機會投Roth的,現在同意50歲以上的高收入人群可以投Roth,所以我 -小小試一下水- 給 小小試一下水 發送悄悄話 小小試一下水 的博客首頁 (27 bytes) () 09/24/2025 postreply 16:26:25

如果公司提供after tax 401k, 員工可以投這個,離職時把所有401k轉出的話,這部分可轉Roth IRA -TigerLady- 給 TigerLady 發送悄悄話 TigerLady 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 09/24/2025 postreply 16:29:00

我的前東家隻有401K,沒別的選,盡管match的很不錯。 -小小試一下水- 給 小小試一下水 發送悄悄話 小小試一下水 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 09/24/2025 postreply 16:34:53

退休賬戶一向是可以自己選401k還是Roth 401k,catch-up也一樣,規定隻能放在after tax感覺是變差 -Croissant_22- 給 Croissant_22 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 09/24/2025 postreply 16:31:37

我原來的公司隻off after tax 401K, 沒有別的選項。 -小小試一下水- 給 小小試一下水 發送悄悄話 小小試一下水 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 09/24/2025 postreply 16:36:14

一般來說,公司offer pre tax 401k, 有些公司會加Roth and/ or after tax -TigerLady- 給 TigerLady 發送悄悄話 TigerLady 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 09/24/2025 postreply 16:39:08

政府缺錢,等不及了,要大家早點交稅,以後可能慢慢把tax deferred 取消,改成after tax. -BeLe- 給 BeLe 發送悄悄話 BeLe 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 09/24/2025 postreply 16:18:20

那每年投資掙的也交稅?那退休金就沒意義了 -恒媽- 給 恒媽 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 09/24/2025 postreply 16:25:42

以後可能沒有 pretax 401K,隻有Roth 401K。 -BeLe- 給 BeLe 發送悄悄話 BeLe 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 09/24/2025 postreply 16:30:33

然後新生嬰兒先交遺產稅,嗬嗬 -TigerLady- 給 TigerLady 發送悄悄話 TigerLady 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 09/24/2025 postreply 16:33:08

我們公司沒有 after tax 401k, 是不是就不能投這部分了 -STEMkid- 給 STEMkid 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 09/24/2025 postreply 17:07:00

文章說如果公司沒有Roth 401k, 明年就不能投catchup 401k。問一下你們管401k的,他們肯定在頭痛 -TigerLady- 給 TigerLady 發送悄悄話 TigerLady 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 09/24/2025 postreply 17:11:27

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