當辛頓說,智力的本質是學習,而不是推理,什麽意思?你同意嗎?

In the early days, back in the 50s, people like von Neumann and didn’t believe in symbolic AI, they were far more inspired by the brain. Unfortunately, they both died much too young, and their voice wasn’t heard.

And in the early days of AI, people were completely convinced that the representations you need for intelligence were symbolic expressions of some kind. Not quite logic, but something like logic, and that the essence of intelligence was reasoning.

What’s happened now is, there’s a completely different view, which is that what a thought is just a great big vector of neural activity, so contrast that with a thought being a symbolic expression. And I think the people who thought that thoughts were symbolic expressions just made a huge mistake.

What comes in is a string of words, and what comes out is a string of words. And because of that, strings of words are the obvious way to represent things. So they thought what must be in between was a string of words, or something like a string of words. And I think what’s in between is nothing like a string of words. I think the idea that thoughts must be in some kind of language is as silly as the idea that understanding the layout of a spatial scene must be in pixels, pixels come in, then pixels would come out, but what’s in between isn’t pixels.

And so I think thoughts are just these great big vectors, and that big vectors have causal powers. They cause other big vectors, and that’s utterly unlike the standard AI view that thoughts are symbolic expressions.

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哪裏說智力的本質是學習了?文中說的是big vector? 但是顯然說得不清不楚。。。 -兩女寶媽- 給 兩女寶媽 發送悄悄話 兩女寶媽 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 12/30/2024 postreply 14:24:25

他是AI鼻祖之一,他不知道AI第一步是學習,第二步是推理吧? -青裁- 給 青裁 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 12/30/2024 postreply 14:27:00

感覺他在破除神秘化?是說學習能自然延伸到推理。。。 -oryzivore- 給 oryzivore 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 12/30/2024 postreply 14:39:56

學習不是一個更大的範疇?難道推理不是一種學習? -兩女寶媽- 給 兩女寶媽 發送悄悄話 兩女寶媽 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 12/30/2024 postreply 14:59:30

他的意思說推理也是把一串輸入符號映射到另一串符號,因此LLM之類的模型可以做推理 -IT-guy- 給 IT-guy 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 12/30/2024 postreply 15:02:07

對。我也是這麽理解的 -oryzivore- 給 oryzivore 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 12/30/2024 postreply 15:04:00

推理是學習後的延伸,赫赫。。我怎麽覺得這段文字更像歐鋼娃的對語言的描述。。。不過這裏換成了Vectors。 -Midwestrural- 給 Midwestrural 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 12/30/2024 postreply 14:31:22

繞!思想是矢量而不是symbolic expression 。可憐我都沒看懂。你的回帖也看不懂 -oryzivore- 給 oryzivore 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 12/30/2024 postreply 14:37:53

歐鋼娃說,你思想的矢量不管如何高深,也需要通過語言表達出來,而你所能表達出來的東西,就是其他人對你思想認識的邊界。。赫赫 -Midwestrural- 給 Midwestrural 發送悄悄話 (334 bytes) () 12/30/2024 postreply 14:42:52

歐剛娃是???回頭我去看看 -oryzivore- 給 oryzivore 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 12/30/2024 postreply 14:45:30

我也是聽了羅刹海市這首歌,去惡補了一下歐鋼娃的理論。。赫赫。。歐鋼娃名叫維特根斯坦,Wittgenstein。 -Midwestrural- 給 Midwestrural 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 12/30/2024 postreply 14:48:07

我也是……哈哈,不過實話說,我覺得這首歌挺low。 -會飛的小豬- 給 會飛的小豬 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 12/30/2024 postreply 14:49:50

我覺得你這個邏輯是通的。 -會飛的小豬- 給 會飛的小豬 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 12/30/2024 postreply 14:43:05

稍有機器學習知識的人都會能理解這段話 -frank_xulu- 給 frank_xulu 發送悄悄話 (401 bytes) () 12/30/2024 postreply 14:51:56

貼一下俺跟chatGPT的討論 -linda2- 給 linda2 發送悄悄話 linda2 的博客首頁 (6660 bytes) () 12/30/2024 postreply 14:54:56

你是個認真嚴謹愛專研的同學。。。赫赫 -Midwestrural- 給 Midwestrural 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 12/30/2024 postreply 14:56:39

哈哈,因為跟俺做的研究有關啊 LOL -linda2- 給 linda2 發送悄悄話 linda2 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 12/30/2024 postreply 14:59:06

neo relationship 或者說是 graph relationship -加州lalin- 給 加州lalin 發送悄悄話 加州lalin 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 12/30/2024 postreply 15:29:00

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