Revealed Employer Preferences in T50(ish) Colleges, 名單見內

Revealed Employer Preferences in T50(ish) Colleges : r/ApplyingToCollege (reddit.com)

I have a love-hate relationship with rankings. I think they're fascinating due to the effect they have public perceptions of college prestige but also completely worthless in determining anything about actual program quality. But they sort of self-legitimize themselves by skewing employer and grad school preferences of undergraduate colleges, thus creating a self-fufilling prophecy. That being said after diving down a rabbit hole of post-graduation employment outcomes and the unreliability of datasets for comparative use, I decided to use the last few hours to slap-dash an analysis of "degree premiums" at a set of competitive colleges to see where has the best brand bang-for-buck.

Datasets Used

  • US Department of Education College Scorecard Dataset 2019-2020

  • Niche (Reference Point)

Methodology

I started off with a set of schools given an A+ ranking in Academics on Niche. This is a bit subjective but I feel the 49 research universities and 29 liberal arts colleges from this group decently represent commonly agreed upon prestigious and semi-prestigious schools. From there I isolated the reported 2021 post-graduation income using the DoE Scorecard for each school, by major - then comparing that income with the national average income for the major. For transformation in to a neat excel file I indexed and ranked these schools by a premium that was taken from the averaged difference between all majors and the national averages by college. There are some holes (primarily small reference points for many programs and heterogeneous distribution of majors who themselves have heteroskedastic income variances) but this is just a rough product being posted at 3:20 AM when I have like 3 quizzes tmr so too bad! its good enough for a mid-low effortpost.

I've divided these colleges in to five groups:

Very-High Premium Schools (+$30,000 Starting Salary Premium)

  • Harvey Mudd

  • CalTech

  • MIT

  • UPenn

  • Stanford

  • Harvard

While it's interesting only 3 of the 5 HYPSM schools made it on here, given the intense connections to Wall Street and Silicon Valley at these schools and relatively weaker grad school prep culture than say - Princeton, the degree premium is a bit less surprising considering the likelihood these schools have stronger network effects in the private sector than their peers.

High Premium Schools (+$15,000 Starting Salary Premium)

  • Dartmouth

  • Duke

  • Johns Hopkins

  • CMU

  • Yale

  • Claremont McKenna

  • Georgetown

  • UChicago

  • Columbia

  • Northwestern

  • Vanderbilt

  • Princeton

  • Rice

  • Cornell

  • UC Berkeley

  • NYU

Much of the T20 here so no real surprises. NYU's strengths in its business and journalism department + wage inflation for high numbers of graduates residing in New York may inflate it's graduation premium.

Moderate Premium Schools (+$10,000 Starting Salary Premium)

  • Washington & Lee

  • Bowdoin

  • Georgia Tech

  • Northeastern

  • Notre Dame

  • BC

  • Pomona

  • Amherst

  • Villanova

  • USC

  • Emory

  • Williams

  • Swarthmore

  • Barnard

  • Colgate

  • Wake Forest

  • Middlebury

  • BU

  • UVA

  • Tufts

  • WashU St. Louis

  • Wellesley

Elite LAC's and big private research universities that either lower end T20's that lack "breakout" programs or are part of Boston's "magnificent seven". Also a few top public colleges. This zone seems to represent the premium placed on research university degrees compared to equivalent liberal arts schools as well as either top schools with poor career services or just-below-top schools significant institutional clout.

Low Premium Schools (+$0 Starting Salary Premium)

  • Trinity (Texas)

  • Bucknell

  • Wesleyan

  • Brandeis

  • Lehigh

  • UMichigan

  • UT Austin

  • Colby

  • Brown

  • UCLA

  • Davidson

  • URochester

  • UW Madison

  • Haverford

  • Case Western

  • Bates

  • UNC Chapel Hill

  • Bryn Mawr

  • UIUC

  • UC San Diego

  • Hamilton

  • URichmond

  • UMiami

  • UFlorida

  • William & Mary

  • Kenyon

  • UGeorgia

  • Vassar

Public Colleges and Liberal Arts Colleges continue to get depressed premiums on the market compared to their private school peers. The only major outlier is Brown, which may be due to a mix of student culture and more interest in liberal arts style education.

Disutility Colleges (Less than $0 Starting Salary Premium)

  • Tulane

  • Macalester

  • Carleton

  • Grinnell

  • Smith

  • Colorado

Primarily minor colleges in regions where incomes are lower than average.

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泥巴辣麽厲害? -成功的飛過- 給 成功的飛過 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:12:09

顯然不可能啊,這些lac也非常在意各種排名的 -成功的米菲兔- 給 成功的米菲兔 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:21:55

一個年級兩百多人,大都是stem怎麽不可能 -yddad- 給 yddad 發送悄悄話 yddad 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:49:26

你大意了吧,在payscale裏,泥粑可是第四 -bigcat2026- 給 bigcat2026 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 08:52:57

沒幾所公立大學 -sportfan- 給 sportfan 發送悄悄話 sportfan 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:12:27

又是scorecard的資料 -violinpiano- 給 violinpiano 發送悄悄話 (62 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:13:10

就是隻算窮娃娃?這也是歧視吧lol -成功的米菲兔- 給 成功的米菲兔 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:14:15

也不算窮啊 收入二十萬的也可以拿FA啊 -violinpiano- 給 violinpiano 發送悄悄話 (309 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:17:56

大佬是富人想法何不食肉糜lol, 大部分學校的FA是算上貸款的,不會都是grant -成功的米菲兔- 給 成功的米菲兔 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:20:15

但藤校都有入列啊 -violinpiano- 給 violinpiano 發送悄悄話 (91 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:24:15

是不是看Pell? -留仙之二九零零年右移- 給 留仙之二九零零年右移 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:20:32

大佬不知道pell那得窮人家的戰鬥機才能拿到?要不至少得讓山姆大叔覺得你窮lol -成功的米菲兔- 給 成功的米菲兔 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:23:16

scorecard統計的是fed loan 不是pell -violinpiano- 給 violinpiano 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:25:27

也用了Niche的數據,否則結果不是這樣。隻用scoreboard,藤校(H,Y)要下降。 -whaled- 給 whaled 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 08:09:27

不是的 他隻用Niche去挑選那些學校來比較 -violinpiano- 給 violinpiano 發送悄悄話 (39 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 08:17:20

那樣數據就不對了。CMU Scoreboard收入中值比三大藤高不少, 比Penn也高 115k vs 111k -whaled- 給 whaled 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 08:26:54

你有沒有看他的本文啊? -violinpiano- 給 violinpiano 發送悄悄話 (393 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 09:16:21

你看的仔細。不過這屬於畫蛇添足,可能還算錯了 -whaled- 給 whaled 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 09:44:26

這種排名看著玩就好lol -成功的米菲兔- 給 成功的米菲兔 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:13:20

油米排這麽低? -Dreamback1- 給 Dreamback1 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:19:00

按錢排名T6: T1-T3技校,T4職校,T5-T6名校 -Wakeland- 給 Wakeland 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:24:00

T4也是名校好嘛 -violinpiano- 給 violinpiano 發送悄悄話 (167 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:26:56

同意,Penn在各種排名都是第六,第七,算上錢的因素,應該進T5,估計能把Y擠下去 -Wakeland- 給 Wakeland 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:33:00

除了本科 如果再加上醫法商 那就更強了啊 -violinpiano- 給 violinpiano 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:36:58

賓州的私校畢業收入都高,賓大,CMU,Swartmore。這和賓州私校麵向實踐的教學理念有關。 -whaled- 給 whaled 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 08:15:37

Upenn在各種排名都非常穩定的前10. 說明這學校真好!實力在那,怎麽排都可以。 -onlyone1074- 給 onlyone1074 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 08:45:52

是不是沾了Wharton 的光?Penn的醫法商倒都是好口碑。 -BeagleDog- 給 BeagleDog 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 08:55:40

一直有個問題,紫檀心中的排名和美國人民的主流“排名”是否一致:) -yddad- 給 yddad 發送悄悄話 yddad 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:38:11

美國人民可能不太在乎這些。家長會碰到紐約家長,老二也被T20錄取了,最後選了Penn State,富家子弟 -留仙之二九零零年右移- 給 留仙之二九零零年右移 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:49:40

去讀外州大 唯一的解釋他是PSU football的球迷 -violinpiano- 給 violinpiano 發送悄悄話 (167 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:52:45

認識老白中產舍H去大米的,因為大米給錢 -Wakeland- 給 Wakeland 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:54:00

這是我第一次聽說舍棄H去大米FR的,知道有棄M去大米FR的 -留仙之二九零零年右移- 給 留仙之二九零零年右移 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:57:21

說實在的,白人這種根據投入來擇校的鬆弛勁,我還挺佩服的。 -幸福象花兒一樣- 給 幸福象花兒一樣 發送悄悄話 幸福象花兒一樣 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 08:57:17

基本客觀,和payscle的比較一下大致符合。有趣的是的是Brown在 -bigcat2026- 給 bigcat2026 發送悄悄話 (138 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 08:28:02

我村公高,在州裏排名是十多名之後,但是如果按大學的回複對學生的滿意程度,力壓磁校和排名好的公校成為州第一 -janeice60- 給 janeice60 發送悄悄話 (161 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 09:03:03

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