Ivy recruit 的一個例子

來源: trivial 2024-03-05 17:26:39 [] [舊帖] [給我悄悄話] 本文已被閱讀: 次 (6187 bytes)

剛有一位女生官宣P, 寫的句子是“announce my verbal commitment to the admissions process at P". 新聞底下的評論裏有一些關於Ivy (尤其是P)是怎麽處理recruit 的,教練權限,和academic 要求。 因為這裏常常有關於這方麵的猜測,所以引過來。

從運動水平來講,這個女孩曾是美國國青隊的。就是說,她有一項曾經在某年全美18歲及以下的所有女生中排前6.

這裏不涉及任何小中,純信息交流。

https://swimswam.com/10-chloe-kim-the-last-uncommitted-top-20-from-the-class-of-2025-chooses-princeton/?

 

評論中主要涉及招生信息的帖子:

【 by 96swim】  I can only speak to how it works at Princeton. Each coach has a certain amount of recruiting spots that they are given each year. That does not mean that they can just take anyone. The admissions department screens them and lets the coaches know early in the process if a recruit is likely to be admitted, and the coaches probably have a pretty good sense of what academic numbers will get in. The recruit will get a likely letter early in the fall letting them know that they are likely to be admitted (all the Ivies do that). Once a coach gives a recruit that spot, they don’t get another spot if the recruit decides to go somewhere else. The academic standards are a lot closer to the academic standards for admittance of non-athletes than some of the earlier comments implied. The big difference is that so many strong candidates apply to the Ivies (and other top ranked schools) that even someone who has stellar credentials probably only has a 1 in 3 or worse chance of getting in. Having a coach give you a spot means than a kid with great credentials goes from being a possible admit to a lock. It doesn’t turn a kid with marginal academics into an Ivy league admit. The average recruited athlete’s academic credentials is far better than you might expect.

【by Paul Windrath】  Aside from the ~5% admission rate, the Ivy schools agree to allocate ~8 admission spots/class/gender to swimming/diving teams as long as the applicants meet the academic admission standards for all applicants and are able to manage the financial obligations as well. Beyond that, the team’s GPA is expected/required to exceed the school’s average GPA and are ranked against the other Ivy swim/dive teams. Negative performance affects the coach’s reviews each year.

So, while it suggests the coach can get someone/anyone they want, the candidate better be able to excel academically to meet the standards agreed to by the schools. Bringing in a team member who is sub-par academically significantly negatively affects the team and, therefore, is NOT in the best interest of the coach to do so.

【 by IvyStats 】 Just adding that these schools in my experience are need blind so they don’t consider your ability to pay, they’ll cover whatever demonstrated financial need you have just like any other student. These schools are very generous with grants (less often loans).

# of spots is also variable year to year. At my school and the schools where I was recruited, the athletic department as a whole had a certain # of spots but the number of swimming likely letters varied from year to year depending on how many the bigger sports needed (though it did usually average out to ~8).

I also know of several confirmed cases (though awhile ago) of someone verbally committing to these schools on the premise that they would likely be admitted, but the Admissions Office came back and didn’t clear them so they very quietly re-committed elsewhere. Usually still need an ACT 32+ or SAT mid-1400s.

 

所有跟帖: 

I know MIT recruiting academic standard is quite high, so is -windflypig- 給 windflypig 發送悄悄話 (16 bytes) () 03/05/2024 postreply 17:42:15

MIT主要是D3,對學術要求比其他top學校高。 -thorn- 給 thorn 發送悄悄話 thorn 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 03/05/2024 postreply 17:56:13

S is a totally different animal, we had below B student -windflypig- 給 windflypig 發送悄悄話 (87 bytes) () 03/05/2024 postreply 18:02:42

這個已經事業有成了,別人還在學生的路上。 -trivial- 給 trivial 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 03/05/2024 postreply 18:18:39

D3 is totally different. -trivial- 給 trivial 發送悄悄話 (256 bytes) () 03/05/2024 postreply 18:17:11

學業上的要求是什麽呢?SAT,GPA,還是得有競賽或是其他leadership的成績。 -Pilsung- 給 Pilsung 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 03/05/2024 postreply 18:37:12

SAT/ACT和GPA必須有 -trivial- 給 trivial 發送悄悄話 (129 bytes) () 03/05/2024 postreply 18:39:59

就是M官網給得基本高中生學科要求,基本都得做到? 我隻有一個疑問, -Pilsung- 給 Pilsung 發送悄悄話 (233 bytes) () 03/05/2024 postreply 18:47:22

那就都幹吧。別人都是這麽做的。 -trivial- 給 trivial 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 03/05/2024 postreply 19:07:41

謝謝,曉得了。 -Pilsung- 給 Pilsung 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 03/05/2024 postreply 19:09:02

娃的高中有GPA不好被大藤錄取的,這個白娃最後選擇去了一個拿全獎的遊泳強校。 -qqdragon- 給 qqdragon 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 03/05/2024 postreply 19:07:01

上麵在問D3。 藤以前我知道的是教練有個平均academic index的指標。 -trivial- 給 trivial 發送悄悄話 (167 bytes) () 03/05/2024 postreply 19:28:38

時間段不對啊! -JOSHUAMAMA13- 給 JOSHUAMAMA13 發送悄悄話 JOSHUAMAMA13 的博客首頁 (331 bytes) () 03/05/2024 postreply 19:39:43

也許是11年級秋季去的OV? -qqdragon- 給 qqdragon 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 03/06/2024 postreply 06:41:04

你是被忽悠了? -trivial- 給 trivial 發送悄悄話 (132 bytes) () 03/05/2024 postreply 21:27:06

謝謝兩位大牛娃家長更正。這個是有OT身高190的泳娃,也確實去了OV。不過細節不知,隻是最後聽說棄藤了。 -qqdragon- 給 qqdragon 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 03/06/2024 postreply 06:24:11

D1遊泳隊的娃們成績都挺不錯,其中不乏很硬的專業 -JOSHUAMAMA13- 給 JOSHUAMAMA13 發送悄悄話 JOSHUAMAMA13 的博客首頁 (321 bytes) () 03/05/2024 postreply 18:29:44

我今天又忍不住去比較我們學區高中的一個牛娃兒。他口頭承諾去農機遊泳。最近還在高中的UIL拿了個銀牌。 -Pilsung- 給 Pilsung 發送悄悄話 (224 bytes) () 03/05/2024 postreply 18:53:13

就我們學區最近幾年的數據來看,去H的娃運動水平高點的,成績一般般;運動水平稍弱些的,wgpa要高很多。 -thorn- 給 thorn 發送悄悄話 thorn 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 03/05/2024 postreply 20:03:41

好貼 但文中說sat 接近非運動員or mid 1400 不一定 P有錄取P 數學500SAT的 總的講 這就是後門 -東西南北衫- 給 東西南北衫 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 03/05/2024 postreply 19:57:28

是遊泳嗎 ? -trivial- 給 trivial 發送悄悄話 (78 bytes) () 03/05/2024 postreply 20:21:43

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