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來源: STEMkid 2023-04-07 09:55:30 [] [舊帖] [給我悄悄話] 本文已被閱讀: 次 (3242 bytes)

From Quora:

Which undergrad is more difficult: CS at UC Berkeley or Stanford?

I got my BS in EECS from Cal and then proceeded to get a Ph.D. in CS at Stanford. While both were very positive experiences, the cultures at the two are very different.

When I first started at Stanford, the one sentence difference that stuck in my mind was that at Stanford the university likes the students. Let me highlight with a few stories.

My first semester at Cal, I took an honors class in math with 20 to 30 students (it's been a while so I don't remember exactly). The Professor had been living in the US for 20 years, yet still couldn't speak or write English; the lesson on Hook's law drew a lot of laughter when he wrote and pronounced Fuk's law and couldn't understand why everyone was laughing. Before the first midterm, he explicitly told the class that there would be no curve; an A would require 90%. Out of 15 points, the class average was 5. Since there was no curve he let the students retake the test. Despite giving us the exact same questions, the average only went up to 7. Now the kicker, he returned the results the day after the deadline for dropping the class. While half the class wanted to switch to the regular class, a rule was a rule and none could.

Upper division classes at Berkeley were nicer but more work. One class had two separate assignments that required working in the lab until 4 AM on the day following an all nighter. Tons of work but not busy work. We were building real systems and that's what it takes to make them work.

Now let's switch to Stanford. One day I get a parking ticket for $14. I didn't bother to pay it. A month later I get a threatening note that because I didn't pay on time, the fine was now going to be $13.

One of the first classes I took at Stanford gave two programming assignments the entire quarter. One was very easy and one was average, not even close to the Berkeley project. The following year, I shared an office with the TA of the Stanford class. The professor walked in and told the TA that students were evaluating his class as too hard, and the administrating told him that if he didn't improve his evaluations, he would not get promoted from Associate to full Professor. Therefore, the professor was dropping the second assignment. I can't imagine such a conversation in Berkeley.

So, which is harder, Berkeley no doubt. Which is better, it really depends on what you need. Both have very smart students: at the top end the students are very similar, at the bottom end there are more such students at Berkeley. Both have great professors. Berkeley will try to break you, although mostly just in the first couple of years. If you make it through the hazing, Berkeley is a wonderful place that will challenge you like no place else and prepare you for the real world. If you don't survive the hazing, and many don't, you will drop out.

Stanford will expose you to the best professors and the best students. You will make great connections. If you are self motivated, you will learn a lot. If you are not, you will coast through.

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What does it mean here ""to speak or write English"? -其樂無窮- 給 其樂無窮 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 04/07/2023 postreply 10:02:34

我的理解是說的口音太重,寫的不流暢 -兩女寶媽- 給 兩女寶媽 發送悄悄話 兩女寶媽 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 04/07/2023 postreply 10:07:57

可悲的是受了這麽多年woke教育的孩子說起外國教授來還是一副50年代的stereotype的歧視。 -windyLL- 給 windyLL 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 04/07/2023 postreply 10:18:53

這怎麽算是歧視,本來很多外國教授英語差是事實。學生花了打錢來學習,結果教授英語不行,教課也不行,我都為學生叫冤。 -甘家口的巷子- 給 甘家口的巷子 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 04/07/2023 postreply 10:45:31

我跟她們說藤校就是療養院,她們非要擔心人家讀不下去 -avw- 給 avw 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 04/07/2023 postreply 10:04:58

藤是 -凊荷- 給 凊荷 發送悄悄話 凊荷 的博客首頁 (57 bytes) () 04/07/2023 postreply 10:12:28

個人還是傾向於挑戰性大的大學 -兩女寶媽- 給 兩女寶媽 發送悄悄話 兩女寶媽 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 04/07/2023 postreply 10:06:33

it is hard to compare apple with orange -mom2023- 給 mom2023 發送悄悄話 (311 bytes) () 04/07/2023 postreply 10:11:23

典型的Cal畢業生的文筆,夠能編的,很會打插邊球 -windyLL- 給 windyLL 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 04/07/2023 postreply 10:15:34

人家是在 quora 實名寫的,比這裏人可信多了,為啥說他是編的,那你去看看他的profile吧 -STEMkid- 給 STEMkid 發送悄悄話 (193 bytes) () 04/07/2023 postreply 10:20:41

那個層主向來看不起硬核男娃。 -成功的小猴子- 給 成功的小猴子 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 04/07/2023 postreply 11:15:57

Cal 比大S作業,projects 難應該是公認的 -newca- 給 newca 發送悄悄話 newca 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 04/07/2023 postreply 10:48:41

是的,這不就是幾所硬核大學CS的特點嗎?!各取所需就行 -兩女寶媽- 給 兩女寶媽 發送悄悄話 兩女寶媽 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 04/07/2023 postreply 11:01:12

感覺學生的話可能還是S強吧。Top 學生同時有兩校offer 的大概率去S。平均和墊底的話,Cal招那麽多CC 轉校生 -阿拉拉- 給 阿拉拉 發送悄悄話 (177 bytes) () 04/07/2023 postreply 11:22:56

應該兩校看重的不一樣。S 喜歡social 的,體育音樂好的,社會活動家什麽的,成績不是最主要的。 -成功的小猴子- 給 成功的小猴子 發送悄悄話 (143 bytes) () 04/07/2023 postreply 11:51:24

比出啥結果了嗎?你娃有這兩個offer,你選Cal? -Huyou2023- 給 Huyou2023 發送悄悄話 (167 bytes) () 04/07/2023 postreply 11:24:45

總共15分的卷子隻考了7分,還需要教授把成績發回來?自我感覺太好了,還是根本就什麽就不懂? -lzr- 給 lzr 發送悄悄話 lzr 的博客首頁 (669 bytes) () 04/07/2023 postreply 11:57:33

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