China financed the American Revolution, unknowingly

本帖於 2023-05-08 19:16:05 時間, 由普通用戶 renqiulan 編輯

The Declaration of Independence of 1776 began the American

Revolution officially. At the same time, money became the most

pressing issue confronting General George Washington. Raising a

revolutionary army called for heavy financing. It was no accident

that China trade turned out to be so magnetic to a struggling new-

born America. 

 

The Qing court in Peking (Beijing) had no idea what the American

Revolution was about. Virtually, no Chinese cared. But, they cared

about the astonishing range of exotic merchandise coming from a

distant corner of the world known as America. Chinese paid silver

coins for America's seal skins, otter pelts, sandalwood, sea

cucumbers, and ginseng. Yes, Chinese have a long history of

consuming American ginseng. 

 

In a land of rule rather than law, kickbacks and downright bribes

were expected and practiced to grease the hands that moved the

foreign trade along. Local Qing officials were as complicit as their

American visitors when and where their "mutual benefits" were

concerned.

 

Between 1783 and the early 1800s, America's coffers saw a steady in-

flow of Chinese silver coins. Then, America enjoyed impressive trade

surpluses that helped tide it over until brighter days were on the

horizon. Silver coins shine, don't they?

 

Like it or not, the love-hate relationship between America and China

practically began with the American Revolution.



 
Author: renqiulan 

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中文提要:美國爭取獨立的同時、開始爭取對華貿易的機會。華貿不成則美國革命難成。 -renqiulan- 給 renqiulan 發送悄悄話 renqiulan 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 17:55:18

謝謝秋蘭的大作。過去對那個時期美國與清朝的貿易不了解。從貿易額的角度看,跟同期歐洲與和華的貿易是什麽比例?有一點 -唐宋韻- 給 唐宋韻 發送悄悄話 唐宋韻 的博客首頁 (654 bytes) () 05/08/2023 postreply 12:11:35

其實,美國也偷運鴉片,不過不敵英國的割喉競爭。窮則變,變則通,偷買海豹皮等,居然殺出一條財路。 -renqiulan- 給 renqiulan 發送悄悄話 renqiulan 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 05/08/2023 postreply 19:39:09

哇塞!,小R你真是專家啊 -花似鹿蔥- 給 花似鹿蔥 發送悄悄話 花似鹿蔥 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 18:04:52

哪裏。大抵史家過於偏重西方諸國間的競爭,鮮有詳及對華貿易在美國獨立戰爭上的重要---雪花白銀是當時的國際通用貨幣。 -renqiulan- 給 renqiulan 發送悄悄話 renqiulan 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 18:46:40

你這個視角很獨到,好像歐洲大陸喜歡美國的毛皮,大清國也喜歡嗎? -花似鹿蔥- 給 花似鹿蔥 發送悄悄話 花似鹿蔥 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 18:11:17

清朝官紳真是“崇洋(貨)”,商賈乘機發財。白銀大量流出,明禁實縱。 -renqiulan- 給 renqiulan 發送悄悄話 renqiulan 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 18:58:17

中國是大國,要離開它,貿易難生存啊! -lovecat08- 給 lovecat08 發送悄悄話 lovecat08 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 19:05:39

記得,我老媽存過銀元,和銀票呢! -lovecat08- 給 lovecat08 發送悄悄話 lovecat08 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 19:09:48

銀元比諸金元,更普及。 -renqiulan- 給 renqiulan 發送悄悄話 renqiulan 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 19:26:35

美國獨立前後,歐洲戰亂,貿易艱難。難得白銀帝國即中國垂青美貨。利之所在,美商自然勤快得可以。 -renqiulan- 給 renqiulan 發送悄悄話 renqiulan 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 19:24:55

花旗參Ginsen, 微州WI 的,以前中國人回國必帶。中國也出口絲織品與茶葉,當時美國第一港口在費城。 -AP33912- 給 AP33912 發送悄悄話 AP33912 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 19:19:00

更多是China, 瓷器, 很早入美。小r好講解。 -AP33912- 給 AP33912 發送悄悄話 AP33912 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 19:22:00

If you happen to be visiting Mt Vernon, you'll see -renqiulan- 給 renqiulan 發送悄悄話 renqiulan 的博客首頁 (44 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 19:36:54

據悉,中國絲綢,換來美國海豹皮。美商轉賣絲綢給西方貴族,又撈一大筆銀元。非如此,美國早就破產。 -renqiulan- 給 renqiulan 發送悄悄話 renqiulan 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 19:32:24

以後你一定會寫到這些 -老鍵- 給 老鍵 發送悄悄話 老鍵 的博客首頁 (300 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 19:22:26

以先生的洞察力,應該在此發文,使吾輩長識。 -renqiulan- 給 renqiulan 發送悄悄話 renqiulan 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 19:41:46

在美國,海參還可以買賣,魚翅已不可以了。 -lovecat08- 給 lovecat08 發送悄悄話 lovecat08 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 19:46:42

Right. Things change. -renqiulan- 給 renqiulan 發送悄悄話 renqiulan 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 19:49:08

First, congrats to you as a moderator. I like this post. -shuier- 給 shuier 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 19:52:19

Thanks, shuier! Please give me some feedback. -renqiulan- 給 renqiulan 發送悄悄話 renqiulan 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 19:54:48

You have cut a long story short. That's fine, but... -shuier- 給 shuier 發送悄悄話 (105 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 20:00:25

Your feedback makes sense to me. I'm glad to hear from you. -renqiulan- 給 renqiulan 發送悄悄話 renqiulan 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 20:02:23

Maybe you should have mentioned a typical China trader. -shuier- 給 shuier 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 20:04:56

Good idea.John Ledyard's life would make a fascinating story -renqiulan- 給 renqiulan 發送悄悄話 renqiulan 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 20:20:21

You caught the point. Good for you. -shuier- 給 shuier 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 20:21:52

But then my post would be a lengthy one. -renqiulan- 給 renqiulan 發送悄悄話 renqiulan 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 20:24:17

True. -shuier- 給 shuier 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 20:25:47

+1 -寒葦- 給 寒葦 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 20:27:15

Thanks, 寒葦! Come join us. -renqiulan- 給 renqiulan 發送悄悄話 renqiulan 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 05/08/2023 postreply 06:21:33

美國曆史了解得不多。但是喜歡獨立戰爭和南北戰爭的曆史。記得獨立戰爭時的大陸軍軍費匱乏—— -花似鹿蔥- 給 花似鹿蔥 發送悄悄話 花似鹿蔥 的博客首頁 (237 bytes) () 05/08/2023 postreply 05:08:01

Washington's Continental Army was, in fact, a ragtag army. -renqiulan- 給 renqiulan 發送悄悄話 renqiulan 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 05/08/2023 postreply 06:08:08

哈哈哈! -花似鹿蔥- 給 花似鹿蔥 發送悄悄話 花似鹿蔥 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 05/08/2023 postreply 06:24:40

Joseph P. Martin's A Narrative of a Revolutionary Soldier -renqiulan- 給 renqiulan 發送悄悄話 renqiulan 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 05/08/2023 postreply 06:13:20

謝謝推薦!英文書看得還是太少,慚愧! -花似鹿蔥- 給 花似鹿蔥 發送悄悄話 花似鹿蔥 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 05/08/2023 postreply 06:26:16

鬧革命的一方都是這樣吧?大陸軍有點像中國早期的紅軍,查爾斯李有點像張國燾 -花似鹿蔥- 給 花似鹿蔥 發送悄悄話 花似鹿蔥 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 05/08/2023 postreply 06:33:19

+100。花姐用“紅軍”作比較,很傳神。兩軍都敗而不潰,最後反敗為勝。不好意思,早上匆匆去來。 -renqiulan- 給 renqiulan 發送悄悄話 renqiulan 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 05/08/2023 postreply 07:09:12

misinformation -ahniu- 給 ahniu 發送悄悄話 ahniu 的博客首頁 (79 bytes) () 05/08/2023 postreply 06:30:24

謝謝!那時候清代官紳挪用白銀買美貨,形同“洗公家錢”,不知不覺地給了美方急需的軍費。 -renqiulan- 給 renqiulan 發送悄悄話 renqiulan 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 05/08/2023 postreply 07:00:55

Great, I'm glad you accepted as moderator. -老林子裏的夏天- 給 老林子裏的夏天 發送悄悄話 老林子裏的夏天 的博客首頁 (79 bytes) () 05/08/2023 postreply 07:44:08

Thanks! I'm honored to be on board. -renqiulan- 給 renqiulan 發送悄悄話 renqiulan 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 05/08/2023 postreply 18:39:26

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