2007年4月28日
Shu wenmiao case辯論
英文為Shu wenmiao一方所寫。中文為李毅所寫。
On 28th March, a sociological article by Dr Yi Li was posted on our forum by one of our members.
所述不實。轉發文章的不是one of our members，而是牛劍論壇學術版的唯一版主。
Dr Li himself soon came to our forum and asked for comments. Indeed some of the members on the forum gave comments, including some polite and reasonable ones pointing out Major flaws of the founding and logic of the
article. However, this didn't went well with Dr Li. Instead of sorting out the academic problems, he claimed he was right and accused us for attacking him.
所述不實。牛劍學者先罵人，惡意攻擊、惡意誹謗李毅。根據牛劍論壇壇規規定，違反壇規第三、第四款的惡意攻擊、惡意誹謗，網管應該根據第七、第八款立即珊去。shu wenxiao 從頭到尾，始終在場，但對這些惡意攻擊、惡意誹謗，就是不刪。到現在都堅持不刪。
Since then Dr Li had been verbally abusing most of the members on the forum for no reason, making everyone angry.
In contrast, Dr. Li started swearing words, and soon upgraded to severe swearing, expressing his will to have sexual relationship with the subjects' senior relatives. Then he started to verbally abuse the subjects' mothers, using disgusting words to describe them and making stories involving sexual acts. It's much much more than just the F word.
所述不實。李毅在被惡意攻擊、惡意誹謗之後，數次要求網管人員介入。牛劍學術論壇網管人員置違反壇規規定，至今拒絕刪除這些惡意攻擊、惡意誹謗。在這種情況下，李毅被迫正當防衛、自衛還擊。一切法律責任由牛劍學者、牛劍學術論壇網管人員承擔。
However, as head administrator of the forum, Dr. Wenmiao Shu had remained quite calm throughout, and had been asking Dr Li to stop his unpleasant words. Dr. Shu had remained fair all the time. He has in no way harmed anyone, explicitly or implicitly. A large number of people have witnessed this.
In the end, Dr. Shu, and a few other administrators of the forum deleted some verbally abusing/repetitive posts by Dr Li to stop the argument between him and the members of the forum. This is the right action to take in view of the management of the forum. Our members stopped arguing soon after, Shu even phoned America to comfort Dr Li and calm him down, also clarifying Dr Li's comments about Shu directing everyone to attack him (which is totally imaginary). Dr. Li Yi then made a public apology on the forum claiming Dr. Shu did not participate or behind any attack towards him. However, after being normal for a few days, Dr Li resumed his path, and it seems he wanted to cause Shu more trouble offline and online. We must say that the actions of Dr. Shu are very appropriate in this kind of daily management of forum. It is legal, rational and appropriate.
所述不實。Shu wenmiao 作為head administrator of the forum，從頭到尾，都在事件發生的現場，對整個事件負有全部法律責任。第一，牛劍學者惡意攻擊、惡意誹謗李毅，芝加哥犯罪分子惡意攻擊、惡意誹謗李毅，違反壇規第三款、第四款，根據壇規第七款、第八款，Shu wenmiao應該立即刪除。Shu wenmiao作為head administrator of the forum，始終在場，始終對此默認，不但當時不刪除，到現在都不刪除。這是違法行為。第二，部分網管人員參與、鼓勵惡意攻擊、惡意誹謗李毅。Shu wenmiao作為head administrator of the forum至今對此默認。這是違法行為。第三，惡意攻擊誹謗李毅的幾個人，除了那個芝加哥的犯罪分子之外，都是Shu wenmiao私人的好朋友，作為head administrator of the forum，至今拒絕刪除對李毅的惡意攻擊、惡意誹謗。這是違法行為。
>Reference:
>http://www.oxbridgechina.org/bbs/thread-15463-1-3.html
>http://www.oxbridgechina.org/bbs/thread-16452-5-1.html
>Many thanks,
>
>Oxbridge Forum (www.oxbridgechina.org/bbs)
>Oxbridge China Association
>(www.oxbridgechina.org)
所謂的Oxbridge Forum和Oxbridge China Association，找不到一個有真實姓名和真實地址的負責人。此案發生後，也沒有一個有真實姓名和真實地址的人願意對此案負責。Shu wenmiao是目前唯一能夠找到的對此案負責的有真名實姓、真實地址的人，但他本人居然與數日前虛偽地表示，他已與此案無關。一邊說與本人無關，一邊又被這裏背著李毅，散發這個對案情的歪曲描述。這是違法行為。
李毅公開案情，悉光明正大的合法行為。
Shu wenmiao case辯論
英文為Shu wenmiao一方所寫。中文為李毅所寫。
On 28th March, a sociological article by Dr Yi Li was posted on our forum by one of our members.
所述不實。轉發文章的不是one of our members，而是牛劍論壇學術版的唯一版主。
Dr Li himself soon came to our forum and asked for comments. Indeed some of the members on the forum gave comments, including some polite and reasonable ones pointing out Major flaws of the founding and logic of the
article. However, this didn't went well with Dr Li. Instead of sorting out the academic problems, he claimed he was right and accused us for attacking him.
所述不實。牛劍學者先罵人，惡意攻擊、惡意誹謗李毅。根據牛劍論壇壇規規定，違反壇規第三、第四款的惡意攻擊、惡意誹謗，網管應該根據第七、第八款立即珊去。shu wenxiao 從頭到尾，始終在場，但對這些惡意攻擊、惡意誹謗，就是不刪。到現在都堅持不刪。
Since then Dr Li had been verbally abusing most of the members on the forum for no reason, making everyone angry.
In contrast, Dr. Li started swearing words, and soon upgraded to severe swearing, expressing his will to have sexual relationship with the subjects' senior relatives. Then he started to verbally abuse the subjects' mothers, using disgusting words to describe them and making stories involving sexual acts. It's much much more than just the F word.
所述不實。李毅在被惡意攻擊、惡意誹謗之後，數次要求網管人員介入。牛劍學術論壇網管人員置違反壇規規定，至今拒絕刪除這些惡意攻擊、惡意誹謗。在這種情況下，李毅被迫正當防衛、自衛還擊。一切法律責任由牛劍學者、牛劍學術論壇網管人員承擔。
However, as head administrator of the forum, Dr. Wenmiao Shu had remained quite calm throughout, and had been asking Dr Li to stop his unpleasant words. Dr. Shu had remained fair all the time. He has in no way harmed anyone, explicitly or implicitly. A large number of people have witnessed this.
In the end, Dr. Shu, and a few other administrators of the forum deleted some verbally abusing/repetitive posts by Dr Li to stop the argument between him and the members of the forum. This is the right action to take in view of the management of the forum. Our members stopped arguing soon after, Shu even phoned America to comfort Dr Li and calm him down, also clarifying Dr Li's comments about Shu directing everyone to attack him (which is totally imaginary). Dr. Li Yi then made a public apology on the forum claiming Dr. Shu did not participate or behind any attack towards him. However, after being normal for a few days, Dr Li resumed his path, and it seems he wanted to cause Shu more trouble offline and online. We must say that the actions of Dr. Shu are very appropriate in this kind of daily management of forum. It is legal, rational and appropriate.
所述不實。Shu wenmiao 作為head administrator of the forum，從頭到尾，都在事件發生的現場，對整個事件負有全部法律責任。第一，牛劍學者惡意攻擊、惡意誹謗李毅，芝加哥犯罪分子惡意攻擊、惡意誹謗李毅，違反壇規第三款、第四款，根據壇規第七款、第八款，Shu wenmiao應該立即刪除。Shu wenmiao作為head administrator of the forum，始終在場，始終對此默認，不但當時不刪除，到現在都不刪除。這是違法行為。第二，部分網管人員參與、鼓勵惡意攻擊、惡意誹謗李毅。Shu wenmiao作為head administrator of the forum至今對此默認。這是違法行為。第三，惡意攻擊誹謗李毅的幾個人，除了那個芝加哥的犯罪分子之外，都是Shu wenmiao私人的好朋友，作為head administrator of the forum，至今拒絕刪除對李毅的惡意攻擊、惡意誹謗。這是違法行為。
>Reference:
>
>http://www.oxbridgechina.org/bbs/thread-16452-5-1.html
>Many thanks,
>
>Oxbridge Forum (
>Oxbridge China Association
>(
所謂的Oxbridge Forum和Oxbridge China Association，找不到一個有真實姓名和真實地址的負責人。此案發生後，也沒有一個有真實姓名和真實地址的人願意對此案負責。Shu wenmiao是目前唯一能夠找到的對此案負責的有真名實姓、真實地址的人，但他本人居然與數日前虛偽地表示，他已與此案無關。一邊說與本人無關，一邊又被這裏背著李毅，散發這個對案情的歪曲描述。這是違法行為。
李毅公開案情，悉光明正大的合法行為。
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