潛艇的隱身 - 200米是最起碼,300米更好,事實上越深越好,如果潛艇能承受的話。裏麵是Gemini AI說的 …

Yes, 300 meters is significantly better, and "deeper is almost always better" is a core principle of blue water submarine stealth.

While 200 meters is the rule of thumb to get below the "sunlight zone" and the permanent thermocline, diving to 300 meters (or deeper) provides three critical advantages.

1. Increased Protection from Non-Acoustic Detection

This is the most significant benefit. The "footprints" a submarine leaves on the surface become exponentially fainter with every meter of depth.

Thermal Scar: At 300 meters, the hot water from the reactor has much farther to travel, mixing and cooling almost completely before it can ever reach the surface. This makes the sub nearly invisible to satellite infrared sensors.

Surface Wake (Bernoulli Hump): The surface disturbance a sub creates shrinks rapidly with depth. A wake that might be detectable at 150-200 meters is almost certainly non-existent or lost in the background "noise" of ocean waves when the sub is at 300 meters.

2. More Tactical Freedom (Speed = Stealth)

The biggest enemy of a sub's quietness is its own propeller.

What is Cavitation? At high speeds or shallow depths, the propeller's spinning blades create a low-pressure zone that literally boils the water, forming tiny, noisy bubbles. This "cavitation" is incredibly loud and a dead giveaway on enemy sonar.  

The Depth Solution: The deeper a submarine goes, the greater the surrounding water pressure. This intense pressure makes it much harder for those bubbles to form.  

The 300m Advantage: At 300 meters, the ambient pressure is enormous, allowing a commander to spin the propeller much faster—and thus move the submarine faster—before cavitation ever begins. The sub can "run quiet" at a much higher tactical speed than it could at 200 meters.

3. A Larger "Playing Field"

In anti-submarine warfare, the ocean is a 3D battlespace. More depth means more room to maneuver.

Evading Torpedoes: A torpedo hunting a sub has a "search cone." The more vertical water the sub has to work with, the easier it is to "out-fly" the torpedo by diving or climbing.

Hiding in Deeper Layers: The ocean isn't just one layer. There are often multiple, deeper acoustic layers (sometimes called shadow zones) below the main thermocline. A 300-meter (or deeper) capability gives the captain more options to find the absolute quietest, most hidden part of the ocean.

In short, 200 meters gets you "off the grid." 300 meters lets you move around on that grid, quickly and invisibly, while also erasing your tracks from satellite surveillance.

 

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別管多深,現在誰也無法證實證偽每個有核潛艇的國家在外沒露麵的核潛艇的具體位置。 -TreeNewBee- 給 TreeNewBee 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 10/24/2025 postreply 15:07:06

雖然核潛艇可以幾乎無限航行,但船員的食物吃光時還是得回基地補給。離開深水區很遠的潛艇基地在隱身上就吃了大虧了。 -大觀園的賈探春- 給 大觀園的賈探春 發送悄悄話 大觀園的賈探春 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 10/24/2025 postreply 15:16:21

探測潛艇主要靠聲納,紅外線和尾流除非潛艇的深度很淺,而且探測潛艇需要專用的反潛機/獵潛艇,這些戰時沒有可能接近中國近海 -天青水藍- 給 天青水藍 發送悄悄話 天青水藍 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 10/24/2025 postreply 15:43:40

你落伍了。現在靠衛星。 -大觀園的賈探春- 給 大觀園的賈探春 發送悄悄話 大觀園的賈探春 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 10/24/2025 postreply 15:45:15

衛星用什麽手段探測?隻有聲納可以在水下傳播,但太空裏沒有空氣,衛星根本發射不出聲波,更別說傳到地麵/海麵 -天青水藍- 給 天青水藍 發送悄悄話 天青水藍 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 10/24/2025 postreply 15:47:39

你說的衛星探測如果是天基紅外線預警係統,那隻有在對方潛射彈道導彈出水的那一刻才能探測到,那時核戰爭已經開始了。 -天青水藍- 給 天青水藍 發送悄悄話 天青水藍 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 10/24/2025 postreply 15:49:19

以前台灣菲律賓和日本可以阻止中共核潛艇進入太平洋,現在巨浪3的射程根本不需要進入日本以東的洋麵在中國近海就可以發射 -天青水藍- 給 天青水藍 發送悄悄話 天青水藍 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 10/24/2025 postreply 15:52:20

所以前幾年潛艇還演習穿越第一島鏈,這兩年都不再派潛艇穿越島鏈了,因為沒有必要了。 -天青水藍- 給 天青水藍 發送悄悄話 天青水藍 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 10/24/2025 postreply 15:53:49

台灣以東也隻有航母編隊和掩護航母的攻擊潛艇有必要去 -天青水藍- 給 天青水藍 發送悄悄話 天青水藍 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 10/24/2025 postreply 15:55:17

所以說你落伍了。看看AI怎麽說衛星怎樣偵測潛艇: -大觀園的賈探春- 給 大觀園的賈探春 發送悄悄話 大觀園的賈探春 的博客首頁 (23159 bytes) () 10/24/2025 postreply 16:01:42

都是需要”shallow water“ -dakinglaile- 給 dakinglaile 發送悄悄話 dakinglaile 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 10/24/2025 postreply 16:22:12

Shallow water指深度不到200米的海域。大陸周圍的海域都是。Sunlight Zone是200米。 -大觀園的賈探春- 給 大觀園的賈探春 發送悄悄話 大觀園的賈探春 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 10/24/2025 postreply 16:37:18

這些探測手段從衛星上都不如飛機上,我前邊說了可見光最多探測到40米深,磁力探測的有效距離隻有幾公裏,衛星距離海麵幾百公裏 -天青水藍- 給 天青水藍 發送悄悄話 天青水藍 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 10/24/2025 postreply 16:31:53

而且除了地球同步衛星其他衛星沒辦法盯著地球表麵一個具體地點看,下次再經過時根本不知潛艇去哪了。同步衛星高度是3萬6千公裏 -天青水藍- 給 天青水藍 發送悄悄話 天青水藍 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 10/24/2025 postreply 16:36:20

現在衛星數目眾多。大家輪流盯住一個地區很容易,不需同步衛星。 -大觀園的賈探春- 給 大觀園的賈探春 發送悄悄話 大觀園的賈探春 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 10/24/2025 postreply 16:43:31

你又落伍了。現在海洋的Sunlight Zone是200米,超過200米是Twilight Zone。 -大觀園的賈探春- 給 大觀園的賈探春 發送悄悄話 大觀園的賈探春 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 10/24/2025 postreply 16:40:47

你問個潛水教練就知道了。海水透明度好的時候潛水員和水下攝影機都隻能看幾十米 -天青水藍- 給 天青水藍 發送悄悄話 天青水藍 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 10/24/2025 postreply 16:51:33

你的潛水艇教練不知道這些年來的科技進展,還停留在過去。 -大觀園的賈探春- 給 大觀園的賈探春 發送悄悄話 大觀園的賈探春 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 10/24/2025 postreply 16:54:56

高精度的軍用偵察相機可以看到200米的深度。 -大觀園的賈探春- 給 大觀園的賈探春 發送悄悄話 大觀園的賈探春 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 10/24/2025 postreply 18:05:17

不大相信,有報道的鏈接嗎? -天青水藍- 給 天青水藍 發送悄悄話 天青水藍 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 10/24/2025 postreply 18:12:00

其實咲媱網友所說的,是現代戰略分析家的共識,我也曾經讀過,這不是她憑空想出來的,隻是她對現代戰略家看法的涉獵比一般人深廣 -大觀園的賈探春- 給 大觀園的賈探春 發送悄悄話 大觀園的賈探春 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 10/24/2025 postreply 16:48:59

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