來了。小澤和歐洲同意俄羅斯占有現在的四個州加Crimea,以實際控製線停戰,也就是我三年前說的三八線模式

Ukraine ready to give up land to Russia if Vladimir Putin agrees to one key conditio

It has emerged tonight that Ukraine might consider ceasing hostilities and relinquishing territory currently under Russian control as part of a peace proposal backed by Europe.

European leaders have been briefed by Volodymyr Zelensky to resist any deal proposed by Donald Trump that would force Ukraine to give up more land, although the Kremlin could be allowed to retain some of the areas it has captured.

Such an agreement would mean solidifying the current front line and effectively giving Putin control over the regions the Russian military has occupied in Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia, Kherson, and Crimea. It comes after a chilling map pinpointed the 10 safest nations to flee to during a nuclear World War 3.

After a hectic weekend of diplomatic exchanges between Kyiv and its allies, a Western official noted: "The plan can only be related to the current positions held by the militaries."

 

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看來都終於開竅了,但花了三年多。。。唉 -L- 給 L 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 08/12/2025 postreply 17:43:45

不是吧,普京要的是100%頓巴斯,就是說司機還要往後撤才行。 -孤獨的異鄉人- 給 孤獨的異鄉人 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 08/12/2025 postreply 18:11:02

對的,普京要烏軍撤出頓巴斯。小澤歐洲接受就地停火停戰 -- 對他們來說實際是承認戰敗了。現在是雙方要價 -L- 給 L 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 08/12/2025 postreply 18:14:50

"one key condition"是什麽? -Uusequery- 給 Uusequery 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 08/12/2025 postreply 18:26:22

好像是就地停火不撤軍 -L- 給 L 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 08/12/2025 postreply 18:28:53

對,所以說是:”凍結“, 也就是“咱先不打了”。這帳得慢慢算。 -Tendy- 給 Tendy 發送悄悄話 Tendy 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 08/12/2025 postreply 18:35:32

南北韓就是凍結, -80前- 給 80前 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 08/12/2025 postreply 18:39:48

不打了就是南北韓三八線模式 -L- 給 L 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 08/12/2025 postreply 18:50:58

好像歐洲同意的是四個州平分 -越王劍- 給 越王劍 發送悄悄話 越王劍 的博客首頁 (36 bytes) () 08/12/2025 postreply 19:22:28

歐公子就是個上不了桌的廢材,沒人在意他們,原來的默大媽還有點兒話語權。現在一個後麵跟著喊爹,一個美國見美就跪的馮婦 -孤獨的異鄉人- 給 孤獨的異鄉人 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 08/12/2025 postreply 20:04:05

平分四州停火也是在法理上行不通的,這樣等於承認俄國對四州一半的合法控製權,烏克蘭國會通不過的。 -Tendy- 給 Tendy 發送悄悄話 Tendy 的博客首頁 (78 bytes) () 08/13/2025 postreply 06:22:26

當然行不通,盧甘斯克俄已占領99%,頓涅茨克,赫爾鬆,紮波羅熱俄都占據70%以上,怎麽可能還讓烏占一半?烏不同意就接著打 -天青水藍- 給 天青水藍 發送悄悄話 天青水藍 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 08/13/2025 postreply 07:42:40

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