我問ChatGPT關於B21和F22假設空戰的問題 …

我問:

In a hypothetical long-range beyond-visual-range air battle between a B21 equipped with AIM-174B and F22 equipped with AIM-120D, which one has the better chance to win?

 

ChatGPT回答:

In a long-range beyond-visual-range (BVR) air battle between a B-21 Raider equipped with AIM-174B (air-launched SM-6) and an F-22 Raptor equipped with AIM-120D AMRAAM, the advantage depends on several critical factors: stealth, sensor capabilities, missile range, and situational awareness. Here’s an analysis:

 

Key Advantages for Each Platform

 

1. Missile Capabilities

        AIM-174B (SM-6):

        Range: Significantly greater than the AIM-120D, likely exceeding 460 km.

        Speed: High speed (~Mach 3.5), giving it a quicker time-to-target.

        Guidance: Multi-mode seeker (active radar and IR), two-way datalink, and the ability to receive mid-course updates from off-board sensors.

        Targeting Flexibility: Optimized for engaging both air and missile threats, including stealthy targets.

        AIM-120D:

        Range: ~160–180 km, shorter than the AIM-174B.

        Maneuverability: Extremely agile, designed for dogfights and air superiority.

        Guidance: Active radar homing and datalink for mid-course corrections.

 

Advantage: The B-21 (AIM-174B) has a clear advantage in range and flexibility for long-range engagements.

 

2. Stealth and Detection

        B-21 Raider:

        Optimized for extremely low radar cross-section (RCS), designed for penetrating advanced defenses. Its stealth is tailored for minimizing detection from all angles.

        Likely relies on off-board sensors and data links for situational awareness in air-to-air engagements.

        F-22 Raptor:

        One of the stealthiest fighter aircraft, with very low frontal RCS. Designed for air-to-air engagements and optimized for radar evasion.

        Smaller and more agile, making it harder to detect visually or with infrared sensors.

 

Advantage: The F-22, due to its smaller size and maneuverability, is harder to detect in a dynamic air-to-air battle. However, at extreme ranges, the B-21’s sensor suite and networking could offset this.

 

3. Sensors and Situational Awareness

        B-21 Raider:

        Likely equipped with advanced radars and electronic warfare (EW) systems designed for detecting and tracking at long ranges.

        May integrate with off-board sensor networks (e.g., satellites, AWACS) to locate the F-22.

        F-22 Raptor:

        Equipped with the AN/APG-77 AESA radar, providing long-range detection and tracking.

        Infrared Search and Track (IRST) systems may help passively detect the B-21.

 

Advantage: B-21, due to its ability to leverage external sensor networks, enabling it to target the F-22 from outside its detection range.

 

4. Speed and Kinematics

        B-21 Raider:

        Subsonic speed limits its ability to evade incoming missiles.

        Relies on stealth and long-range engagement to neutralize threats before detection.

        F-22 Raptor:

        Supercruise capability (~Mach 1.8) and exceptional agility allow it to close range quickly and evade missiles effectively.

 

Advantage: Strongly favors the F-22, particularly if it can close the distance.

 

Scenarios and Analysis

    1.    Extreme Long-Range Engagement:

        The B-21 launches the AIM-174B well before the F-22 can engage with AIM-120D. Using off-board sensors and mid-course guidance, the missile has a high probability of reaching its target before the F-22 detects the B-21.

Advantage: B-21.

    2.    Medium-Range Engagement:

        If the F-22 detects the B-21 (via radar or IRST) and closes the gap, it can launch AIM-120D while leveraging its superior kinematics to evade AIM-174B.

Advantage: F-22.

    3.    Close Range:

        In unlikely close-range combat, the F-22’s agility and smaller size would dominate, as the B-21 is not designed for such scenarios.

Advantage: Overwhelmingly F-22.

 

Conclusion

 

In a long-range BVR air battle, the B-21 Raider has the upper hand due to:

        Longer missile range (AIM-174B).

        Advanced sensor networks and off-board targeting capabilities.

        Extreme stealth, making it harder to detect at long distances.

 

However, if the F-22 Raptor can close the range, its speed, agility, and advanced radar give it a decisive advantage. The outcome would largely depend on the engagement range and the effectiveness of sensor integration and missile guidance systems.

 
 

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簡單的結論: -大觀園的賈探春- 給 大觀園的賈探春 發送悄悄話 大觀園的賈探春 的博客首頁 (8380 bytes) () 01/04/2025 postreply 16:24:54

f22 能機動擺脫導彈鎖定,能超巡逃命,而 b21 被 f22 發現,逃不了,躲不了,f22 缺點是腿短,但兩者戰鬥 -Helen1817- 給 Helen1817 發送悄悄話 Helen1817 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 01/04/2025 postreply 16:40:42

特別是 f22 數量多,當然這個命題就是不存在的!如果紙麵戰鬥,最後肯定是 f22 贏 -Helen1817- 給 Helen1817 發送悄悄話 Helen1817 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 01/04/2025 postreply 16:41:47

特別是 174 遠程蛋對付慢速大飛機可以,對 f22 這種超靈敏的,命中率估計會慘不忍睹 -Helen1817- 給 Helen1817 發送悄悄話 Helen1817 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 01/04/2025 postreply 16:43:05

我問了ChatGPT這個問題,這是它答複的簡單總結: -大觀園的賈探春- 給 大觀園的賈探春 發送悄悄話 大觀園的賈探春 的博客首頁 (3880 bytes) () 01/04/2025 postreply 16:50:31

因為B21的隱身性比F22強,因此B21會先發現F22。 -大觀園的賈探春- 給 大觀園的賈探春 發送悄悄話 大觀園的賈探春 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 01/04/2025 postreply 16:57:08

這個邏輯好像不通。:) -wenyi1- 給 wenyi1 發送悄悄話 wenyi1 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 01/04/2025 postreply 17:47:48

B21怎麽遠距離發現F22?肯定得開雷達,開雷達就暴露了自己,隱身就破功了 -天青水藍- 給 天青水藍 發送悄悄話 天青水藍 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 01/04/2025 postreply 18:27:40

B21一定會有low-probability-of-intercept radar (LPIR)及紅外搜索追蹤器。 -大觀園的賈探春- 給 大觀園的賈探春 發送悄悄話 大觀園的賈探春 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 01/04/2025 postreply 19:19:50

low-probalility-of-intercept 是指不易被第三方截獲,要探測目標波束一定要打到它身上才能有回波 -天青水藍- 給 天青水藍 發送悄悄話 天青水藍 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 01/04/2025 postreply 20:05:47

紅外探測是根據溫度差,所以飛機尾噴口紅外信號比較強,當兩機相對飛行時特別是亞音速時機頭蒙皮溫度並不高,紅外線輻射很弱 -天青水藍- 給 天青水藍 發送悄悄話 天青水藍 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 01/04/2025 postreply 20:09:17

ChatGPT answer to: Typical effective guidance range of IRST -大觀園的賈探春- 給 大觀園的賈探春 發送悄悄話 大觀園的賈探春 的博客首頁 (21083 bytes) () 01/04/2025 postreply 21:18:25

非也。LPIR是同時避免被目標及非目標偵測到。見裏麵ChatGPT的回答: -大觀園的賈探春- 給 大觀園的賈探春 發送悄悄話 大觀園的賈探春 的博客首頁 (16444 bytes) () 01/04/2025 postreply 21:27:51

Signals are emitted at power levels close to the noise floo -天青水藍- 給 天青水藍 發送悄悄話 天青水藍 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 01/05/2025 postreply 05:33:53

making it hard for the target’s radar warning receiver (RWR) -天青水藍- 給 天青水藍 發送悄悄話 天青水藍 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 01/05/2025 postreply 05:35:59

這隻能降低發射機的發射功率,導致的結果就是探測距離縮短 -天青水藍- 給 天青水藍 發送悄悄話 天青水藍 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 01/05/2025 postreply 05:37:26

您不光忘了抽象化,還加了一堆定語讓F22給B21喂招,可B21還是贏不了,難為您了 -StewartPlatform- 給 StewartPlatform 發送悄悄話 StewartPlatform 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 01/04/2025 postreply 18:40:21

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