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I's shocked reading this post of alarming, by Harvard Professon Larry Ho, member of the National Academy of Sciences of the USA. Chinese American parents: Your thought?
- "中國人這個群體是有它的特點的。早在幾年前，我就寫過一篇文章，“昂納克寓言的啟示”。在文末就非常隱晦地給出預測：將來美國一定還會排華。這個結論當然很令人沮喪，但客觀規律是無情的。中國人在美國的數量大幅增加，必然會改變美國的政體和價值觀。這不是誰的主觀良好意願能改變的。現在美國還在糾結穆斯林問題，要消除恐怖主義的威脅。但從長遠來看，真正能造成美國崩潰的不是恐怖襲擊，而會是華人問題，"
- 博主回複(2016-6-25 19:38)：I don't agree with everything you say. Chinese culture has her good as well as bad aspects. The US and China may be heading for conflict. But that does not mean Chinese Americans will be prosecuted in the future. Chinese-American needs to learn to assimilate and to practice "give" beyond just "take" if they are going to prosper.
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- 主持人：你好像不太喜歡被叫做“美籍華裔NBA球員”，你對自己身上的標簽怎麽看？
林書豪：沒錯，當我在哈佛打球開始的時候，每次都有人問，“兄弟，你是亞洲人，在這打球什麽感覺。我當時就很無語。我覺得每個人都把我置於“他亞洲人”的設定中，我覺得這就是美國的另一麵。我當時籃球真的打得很好，但人們似乎不關注這點。隨著年齡的增長，我的心態也改變了。與其糾結於這個，還不如接受自己的身份。很多問題最終都由我的信仰去解決，我是虔誠的基督徒。 - 主持人：在科比退役的時候，你對科比的評價是很有風度的，跟不同球員是如何相處的？
林書豪：在我經曆了這麽多不同球員之後，我隻是想從他們身上學到一兩件事。我可以從科比身上學到，我見識了他是多麽注重細節。這科比身上，有很多節奏的變化，很注重腳步，而不是速度。也能學習科比對比賽的思考方式，我很感激這點。科比退役的時候，我有很多話想說，我恭喜了那60分，符合他那不可思議的生涯。 - 問題哥 發表評論於
學習旅 發表評論於 2016-06-29 14:22:52
是非常奇怪。...肯尼亞人有沒有口口聲聲指出奧巴馬是美籍肯裔？...
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其實主要是自己貼的標簽，比如本城，因為自己貼了標簽，才有了人籍豬裔、人籍鵝裔、人籍驢裔等。這簡直是自殘嘛！反之，像楓景啊、茉莉啊、青衣啊，多美麗，人家能瞎起外號嗎？學習旅 發表評論於是非常奇怪。難道中國人華人又有特殊人情？
美國無數各國各族移民，其他還有具體哪國哪族有類似習慣？肯尼亞人有沒有口口聲聲指出奧巴馬是美籍肯裔？德國人有沒有口口聲聲指出基辛格是美籍德裔？奧地利人有沒有口口聲聲指出施瓦辛格是美籍奧裔？(My view: At least, 奧地利人有口口聲聲指出施瓦辛格是美籍奧裔 ! Read their newspapers and talk with 奧裔 - ). Nothing new under the Sun - Chinese Americans just do the same stuff, too human!)~~~ - Slate
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I wrote the article below primarily for Chinese American parents concerned about college admission question for their children. I post it here for information purpose only for my Chinese blog readers.
Yesterday the US Supreme court (SOTUS) re-affirmed the U.of Texas affirmative action decision which allows race and ethnicity as afactor in determining US college admissions. This means Asian-American applicants to US colleges (particularly Ivy League colleges) may at the discretion of the universities required to climb a higher threshold for admission than other applicants – an issue of great concern to AA parents. This is because many colleges already have a large (compared with population averages) Asian-American student population reaching 20-40%. In the name of diversity, they want to limit the AA student ratio (see the latest from thecollege point of view http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2016/06/affirming-whole-person-admissions/?utm_source=SilverpopMailing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=06.24.2016%20%281%29 ). In other colleges where financial issue comes into play, rich mainland Chinese students that can pay full tuition have an advantage over local Chinese-American applicants who may need scholarship help for admission http://www.economist.com/news/china/21644222-yearning-american-higher-education-has-driven-surge-overseas-study-georgia-their .All these reasons, now supported by the SOTUS decision, cause undue anxiety/stress for parents and students.
I’d like to say something about this issue from the viewpoint of someone who has served on the Harvard Admission Committee and has experience with educating students for 50+ years.
1. The US is the land of opportunity. Admission to prestige undergraduate colleges is only one of many factors for future success in life. How many President of the US went to Ivy league colleges for undergraduate studies?
2. If you know you are going onto graduate school, then where you did your undergraduate matters far less. Do you know the UG school Clinton, Bush, andObama went to? Of course you know they went to Yale Law School, Harvard Business School, and Harvard Law School respectively for graduate studies. In fact , for Harvard graduate school admission, being a Harvard undergraduate is actually a disadvantage. because in the name of diversity, Harvard graduate schools bentover backwards to admit students from other colleges and limit the Harvard UG applicants.
3. For college admission, the saying is “The Chinese are the Jews of yesteryears” In early 20th century, Jews were discriminated in Ivy League college admission (in fact, geographical diversity in admission was originally invented to limit admission of Jewish applicants who were mostly concentrated in NYC).However, through integration and organizing for political power, discrimination against Jews in admission disappeared in mid 20th century. Harvard even had a Jew-American President coupleof decades ago. As the saying goes “you don’t necessarily get what you deserve, you get what you can negotiate”.Asians must learn the same lesson to gain equality in treatment.
4. Decades ago, Asians were the beneficiaries of Affirmative Action hard fought and won by African-Americans. Now it seems to work in reverse against Asians in college admission. If you did not do much in enjoying the benefit, you have less of an argument when it is applied against you and when African and Hispanic Americans feel AA students are taking places of applicants of their race. This is a give-and-take issue.
5. I have also written about college admission from an insider viewpoint. See http://blog.sciencenet.cn/blog-1565-621163.html ,http://blog.sciencenet.cn/blog-1565-951994.html, and more generally about life, career,and success based on my 66 years of experience living in the US. http://blog.sciencenet.cn/home.php?mod=space&uid=1565&do=blog&id=274536 .This may be of help to recent immigrants young and old alike.
http://blog.sciencenet.cn/blog-1565-986673.html
上一篇：English at Large and ESL for immigrants
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I wrote the article below primarily for Chinese American parents concerned about college admission question for their children. I post it here for information purpose only for my Chinese blog readers.
Yesterday the US Supreme court (SOTUS) re-affirmed the U.of Texas affirmative action decision which allows race and ethnicity as afactor in determining US college admissions. This means Asian-American applicants to US colleges (particularly Ivy League colleges) may at the discretion of the universities required to climb a higher threshold for admission than other applicants – an issue of great concern to AA parents. This is because many colleges already have a large (compared with population averages) Asian-American student population reaching 20-40%. In the name of diversity, they want to limit the AA student ratio (see the latest from thecollege point of view http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2016/06/affirming-whole-person-admissions/?utm_source=SilverpopMailing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=06.24.2016%20%281%29 ). In other colleges where financial issue comes into play, rich mainland Chinese students that can pay full tuition have an advantage over local Chinese-American applicants who may need scholarship help for admission http://www.economist.com/news/china/21644222-yearning-american-higher-education-has-driven-surge-overseas-study-georgia-their .All these reasons, now supported by the SOTUS decision, cause undue anxiety/stress for parents and students.
I’d like to say something about this issue from the viewpoint of someone who has served on the Harvard Admission Committee and has experience with educating students for 50+ years.
1. The US is the land of opportunity. Admission to prestige undergraduate colleges is only one of many factors for future success in life. How many President of the US went to Ivy league colleges for undergraduate studies?
2. If you know you are going onto graduate school, then where you did your undergraduate matters far less. Do you know the UG school Clinton, Bush, andObama went to? Of course you know they went to Yale Law School, Harvard Business School, and Harvard Law School respectively for graduate studies. In fact , for Harvard graduate school admission, being a Harvard undergraduate is actually a disadvantage. because in the name of diversity, Harvard graduate schools bentover backwards to admit students from other colleges and limit the Harvard UG applicants.
3. For college admission, the saying is “The Chinese are the Jews of yesteryears” In early 20th century, Jews were discriminated in Ivy League college admission (in fact, geographical diversity in admission was originally invented to limit admission of Jewish applicants who were mostly concentrated in NYC).However, through integration and organizing for political power, discrimination against Jews in admission disappeared in mid 20th century. Harvard even had a Jew-American President coupleof decades ago. As the saying goes “you don’t necessarily get what you deserve, you get what you can negotiate”.Asians must learn the same lesson to gain equality in treatment.
4. Decades ago, Asians were the beneficiaries of Affirmative Action hard fought and won by African-Americans. Now it seems to work in reverse against Asians in college admission. If you did not do much in enjoying the benefit, you have less of an argument when it is applied against you and when African and Hispanic Americans feel AA students are taking places of applicants of their race. This is a give-and-take issue.
5. I have also written about college admission from an insider viewpoint. See http://blog.sciencenet.cn/blog-1565-621163.html ,http://blog.sciencenet.cn/blog-1565-951994.html, and more generally about life, career,and success based on my 66 years of experience living in the US. http://blog.sciencenet.cn/home.php?mod=space&uid=1565&do=blog&id=274536 .This may be of help to recent immigrants young and old alike.
http://blog.sciencenet.cn/blog-1565-986673.html
上一篇：English at Large and ESL for immigrants
下一篇：Globalization, Technology Advance, and the Brexit
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- [9]王鍵
- The truth is China is first and Chinese people will be the first issue. Chinese people can neglect the things they don't like, but the truth is still there.
- 博主回複(2016-6-28 10:34)：I have no desire to debate with you. You are entitled to you opinion but not to your own facts.
- [8]王曉明
- 6樓的意思是，誰有錢，誰多交稅，誰就有發言權?
- 博主回複(2016-6-26 08:51)：Yes, Money talks. But it is not that simple.
- [7]dwen
- 即便是在更高一級的研究院階段，華人子弟也出現了某種“優勢”。比如我曾經求學的醫學院，那時華人子弟不到5%。現在已經達到20%還多。估計將來會修改入學標準，也要培養其他族群的學生。這樣對社會才有好處。
- 博主回複(2016-6-26 04:50)：Yes.
- [6]dwen
- 舊金山灣區幾個學區的優秀高中，華人子弟幾乎占了50%。但是這些公立學校是靠全體納稅人維持的，華人無論從人數上還是稅金上遠遠低於50%。所以適當限製華人子弟的名額，不完全按照分數錄取，照顧其他族群子女入學，不是歧視而是一種公平。再說學習有困難的孩子如果被排擠在外，將來會造成許多社會問題。
- 博主回複(2016-6-26 04:33)：Thanks for the added information. Chinese parents influenced by the Chinese examination system tend to think that "grades" account for everything. America is a multidimensional society, scholarship is only one of many factors for success in life. There are many other differences between Chinese culture and US culture. There in lie the problem and source of misunderstanding.
- [5]王曉明
- 馬丁路德金在著名的I have a dream的演講中說，他有一個夢，希望看到，將來有一天，大學錄取能夠與膚色無關。
這次高法的裁決，恰恰與此背道而馳，這才是令人失望的地方。 - 博主回複(2016-6-26 03:01)：This world is full of contradictions. But this does not necessarily say one is right the other is wrong.
- [4]dwen
- 同意何教授的建議。華人子弟即使沒有進入最好的大學，也可以在研究院階段追上去：選學理工科的專業，獲得高級學位，成為專業人士。人生如同跑馬拉鬆，沒有贏在起跑線上，隻要自己不放棄，機會有的是的。
- 博主回複(2016-6-28 05:11)：Absolutely
- [3]王鍵
- 問題不在於中國文化有沒有優點。從多元化視角看，任何文化都有優點。中國文化存在了兩千多年，它當然也有很多優點。但現在的問題，是這兩個係統不兼容。美國文化難以同化華人，這是在統計意義上來談。隻有很小比例的華裔能融入美國，大多數則不可能。中國兩千多年的傳統，不是200多年的美國經驗能輕易覆蓋的。加上中國的龐大人口，美國沒有可能改變中國，相反，美國自身的改變會大於中國。如果美國能繼續領先一千年，那華人有可能被同化，但現在看不會有這麽長時間。現代社會的很多常識，高度依賴於美國這個獨一無二的超級大國，但現在這個地位已難以維持。因此，華裔的角色和身份認同，必然成為美國有史以來難以克服的問題和挑戰。
- 博主回複(2016-6-28 05:13)：I will not debate with your "China first" viewpoint.
- [2]蔣迅
- 學校收取學生人數的增長沒有跟上人口增長。
- 博主回複(2016-6-25 22:22)：Except for top schools (Harvard this year admitted one in twenty), there are plenty of space for college students.
- [1]王鍵
- 中國人這個群體是有它的特點的。早在幾年前，我就寫過一篇文章，“昂納克寓言的啟示”。在文末就非常隱晦地給出預測：將來美國一定還會排華。這個結論當然很令人沮喪，但客觀規律是無情的。中國人在美國的數量大幅增加，必然會改變美國的政體和價值觀。這不是誰的主觀良好意願能改變的。現在美國還在糾結穆斯林問題，要消除恐怖主義的威脅。但從長遠來看，真正能造成美國崩潰的不是恐怖襲擊，而會是華人問題，
- 博主回複(2016-6-25 19:38)：I don't agree with everything you say. Chinese culture has her good as well as bad aspects. The US and China may be heading for conflict. But that does not mean Chinese Americans will be prosecuted in the future. Chinese-American needs to learn to assimilate and to practice "give" beyond just "take" if they are going to prosper.
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