Bali2008-02-17 02:12:40回複悄悄話
To me, this is a question of whether she wants to be a mother or not. If she does, keep the baby. There is never a best time for having babies. Especially for this girl given her bad health.
People, you should try to avoid being judgemental and using words such as "murder". She is asking for advice, not judgement.
jojo19712008-02-13 11:43:06回複悄悄話
Abortion is one of the human rights, others have no right to say anything about it, agree with colourofwind, plz don't try to be a "savior" coz u're not! Plus, there're too many problems on this planet are caused by overpopulation!
Quarx2008-02-13 05:38:07回複悄悄話
回複"colourofwind":
I agree with you! Your comments is objective and very fair! 蔡真妮 has some problem in the way she present herself. The way she writes this story show biased opinion - even she didn't realize it.
綠一2008-02-12 23:26:26回複悄悄話
I hope you want your baby!
mizi2008-02-12 14:43:03回複悄悄話
回複colourofwind的評論:
在旁看著實在有些替真妮不平。世事萬物,本來就是仁者見仁、智者見智,在你眼中“biased”的觀點,也許換個人看來卻是一針見血;你也許欣賞觀棋不語的君子,而生活中很多人需要的是心直口快的朋友。更何況真妮是在自己的咖啡屋談自己的想法,沒要求任何人去照著做,何以“misleading", 充當”savior".再則如果你真是那類觀棋不語的君子,又何以對真妮短短故事中的主人下出“they lost themselves and don't have life any more.”的結論?
colourofwind2008-02-12 11:31:23回複悄悄話
The point is not other people will be mislead or not. The way of your writing shows kind of biased opinion and your intension being a savior even you didn't realize it. I just hope you write something make more sense.
蔡真妮2008-02-12 10:57:17回複悄悄話
回複colourofwind的評論:你以為人都是很容易被“Misleading”或者被“Leading”的嗎?對於問題他們心中是有答案的,問出來是想尋求更多的支持而已。
個人的生活從來都是自己選擇的。
至於我的那對朋友,我講的是他們的生活現狀,並不是要別人以他們為榜樣,他們過得挺充實,忙忙碌碌撫養三個孩子就是一種生活方式,不存在“don't have life any more”的問題。
colourofwind2008-02-12 10:25:21回複悄悄話
生了這個孩子後,兩口子忙得團團轉,根本沒功夫和精力打仗了,離婚的事也不了了之。And they lost themselves and don't have life any more.
Please don't misleading others. One of friend he alaways help me analysis my problem, and never give me any definite suggestion. He told me what he said will affect other people's life forever,he need to be 100% careful. something maybe change forever. Don't always be savior to other people.
對這個女孩的選擇當然隻有兩種,可是,至少從分析的角度,是否應該更認真想一想,如果她在這種情況下生這個孩子,這是對她的孩子的最好或是最“負責任”的選擇嗎?畢竟,將來的生活道路是孩子自己的。從這個意義上,我永遠也不會“原諒”那對最近在田納西州最高法院“贏得”了女兒的撫養權而回國的夫婦。
我不是學法律的,我的想法是從醫生的角度.
People, you should try to avoid being judgemental and using words such as "murder". She is asking for advice, not judgement.
對上文中的問題有兩種意見,一種是留,以我為代表的;一種是流,你分析的十分透徹。我會想辦法將你的意見轉達給那位姑娘。
在我心裏,流產就是殺死了自己的孩子,所以怎麽都說不出讓她流掉孩子的話,她留著這個孩子或許因此一生的命運都會改變,是不爭的事實。
謝謝你的長評,把我說不出來的話表達的比我還要好。
流產對身體的影響,原則是越早對身體影響越小。很早的時候(小於兩個月),都不用手術人流,藥流就行(吃藥終止胚胎的發育,再自然派出)。一般來說,三次以上人流(藥流不包括)有可能造成以後習慣性流產,影響以後生育。但這個個體差異太大,有人可能流過一次就影響以後了。至於流產算不算謀殺生命,這個屬於醫學倫理學的範疇了,生命從受精的那一刻算起,從4周心髒開始跳算起,從2-3個月成人形算起,還是從出生脫離母體算起,醫學界都爭論好多年了也沒爭出個結果來,所以才會有各國各州對流產法律的巨大差異。既然在中國現行法律是從出生算起,就不要把這個倫理學上的壓力加到這個女孩子身上了。
我個人的一點看法,希望真妮能轉達給這個女孩子看到。謝謝!
I agree with you! Your comments is objective and very fair! 蔡真妮 has some problem in the way she present herself. The way she writes this story show biased opinion - even she didn't realize it.
被謀殺的通常是公民,你要負法律責任;而流產時打掉的隻是你身上的一塊肉,政府及法律沒有賦予它任何身份,所以你不必負法律責任。
其實樓主已經給了比較客觀的分析,提了很多如果的問題。我很讚成——在你主觀上猶豫不決的時候,換一個客觀的角度思考,there will be a greater possibility of solving the problem。更何況孩子的事,本就不是一個純感性的事。
“希”的故事一直在我腦子裏轉,我試著從比較人性的角度去理解他,難以下筆。另外因為是悲劇,最近一直過節過年的,怕影響大家情緒。你這樣一再的感謝真讓我愧不敢當,寫完已經開了頭的係列我就著手寫這一篇。
看了你的評論,這球立即又充足了氣,活蹦亂跳了。
謝謝嗬!
在旁看著實在有些替真妮不平。世事萬物,本來就是仁者見仁、智者見智,在你眼中“biased”的觀點,也許換個人看來卻是一針見血;你也許欣賞觀棋不語的君子,而生活中很多人需要的是心直口快的朋友。更何況真妮是在自己的咖啡屋談自己的想法,沒要求任何人去照著做,何以“misleading", 充當”savior".再則如果你真是那類觀棋不語的君子,又何以對真妮短短故事中的主人下出“they lost themselves and don't have life any more.”的結論?
流產和謀殺有什麽區別?而且殺的還是自己的孩子!
個人的生活從來都是自己選擇的。
至於我的那對朋友,我講的是他們的生活現狀,並不是要別人以他們為榜樣,他們過得挺充實,忙忙碌碌撫養三個孩子就是一種生活方式,不存在“don't have life any more”的問題。
Please don't misleading others. One of friend he alaways help me analysis my problem, and never give me any definite suggestion. He told me what he said will affect other people's life forever,he need to be 100% careful. something maybe change forever. Don't always be savior to other people.