說此話的是“老李”，李頓白。他的原文翻譯是：
“我認為他既是一位偉大的曆史領袖，也是一位大號的曆史罪犯，兩者兼具。之所以說他是罪犯，是因為他僭越權力，擅自進行大規模的社會實驗，這些實驗顛覆了數億人的生活，而他自己卻對可能的結果毫無預見。他認為自己可以隨意進行這樣的實驗。我認為這是犯罪行為，因為它造成了饑荒，導致數千萬人死亡；也引發了文化大革命，這場革命的死亡人數至今無人知曉；而且，他每次的嚐試都以災難告終，但他卻屢災屢試。”
李頓白的原文在此：
“I think he was a great historic leader and great historic criminal, both parts. And I think the reason I say criminal is that he arrogated to himself the right to conduct these enormous social experiments that evolved upturning the lives of hundreds of millions of people, when he himself did not know what the outcome was gonna be. He thought it was okey for him to experiment like that. And that I think was criminal because it created famines, in which tens of millions died, and it created the Cultural Revolution, in which nobody knows how many died, and usually when he took off, it ended in disaster, and he kept trying.”
以前貼過此文，在這兒：
文革時北京的“著名美國人”，“老李”（敦白） - 博客 | 文學城
當然，“中國事兒”老李說了不算。如果大多數國人認為“偉人”拿著億萬人的命運做實驗是好事兒，那也隻好麵對實驗的曆史後果。
