美國人道的底線麵臨崩潰:法律可以各有定義,但人倫常綱是普遍的人道底線

來源: citypeasant 2018-06-18 11:27:31 [] [舊帖] [給我悄悄話] 本文已被閱讀: 次 (4448 bytes)

法律可以各有定義,但人道的底線是人倫常綱。

美國南部邊境,截止五月底,已有2000兒童,有些不到二歲,並強製與父母隔離,被收容在臨時設立的營地。這些孩子舉目無親,與父母分離,可以想象他們的精神創傷。

無論你是川粉還是川黑,無論你對非法移民的反對的強弱,在這個人倫常綱上,我相信我們有共同的底線。

GOP的議員Ben Sasse也是強烈反對非法移民,但是把孩子和父母從邊境強製分離,他還是強烈反對。他的觀點見下。

今天這人道的底線的崩潰,以為這更可怕的非人道法令的大行其徑。這發生在他們身上,也可能發生在你我身上。也許,你今天還覺得這不可能,但曆史告訴我們這種不可能曾經一次次地發生。

1) Family separation is wicked. It is harmful to kids and absolutely should NOT be the default U.S. policy. Americans are better than this.

2) This bad new policy is a reaction against a bad old policy. The old policy was “catch-and-release.” Under catch-and-release, if someone made it to the border and claimed asylum (whether true or not, and most of the time it wasn’t true), they were released into the U.S. until a future hearing date. Many folks obviously don’t show up at these hearings, so this became a new pathway into the U.S.

3) Catch-and-release – combined with inefficient deportation and other ineffective policies – created a magnet whereby lots of people came to the border who were not actually asylum-seekers. This magnet not only attracted illegal immigrants generally, but also produced an uptick in human trafficking across our border. (We now also have some limited evidence of jihadi recruiters spreading word about how to exploit the southwestern border.)

4) Human trafficking organizations are not just evil; they’re also often smart. Many quickly learned the “magic words” they needed to say under catch-and-release to guarantee admission into the U.S. Because of this, some of the folks showing up at the border claiming to be families are not actually families. Some are a trafficker with one or more trafficked children. Sometimes border agents can identify this, but many times they aren’t sure.

5) Any policy that incentivizes illegal immigration is terrible governance. But even more troubling is that catch-and-release rewarded traffickers, who knew they could easily get their victims to market in the U.S.

6) This foolish catch-and-release policy had to be changed. But changing from catch-and-release does not require adopting the wicked family separation policy. The choice before the American people does not have to be “wicked versus foolish.”

7) The administration’s decision to separate families is a new, discretionary choice. Anyone saying that their hands are tied or that the only conceivable way to fix the problem of catch-and-release is to rip families apart is flat wrong. There are other options available to them. The other options are all messy (given that some overly prescriptive judges have limited their administrative options), but there are ways to address this that are less bad than the policy of family separation they’ve chosen.

8) There are many senior folks in the administration who hate this policy, and who want to do something better.

9) But some in the administration have decided that this cruel policy increases their legislative leverage. This is wrong. Americans do not take children hostage, period.

 

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俺咋沒覺得怎麽不對呀,俗話說在人屋簷下不能不低頭 -Soltek- 給 Soltek 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 11:53:03

需求庇護不是犯罪。如果是犯罪,那麽美國法律為什麽允許申請庇護? -千裏一盞燈- 給 千裏一盞燈 發送悄悄話 千裏一盞燈 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 11:37:54

申請庇護就是移民法中規定的。 -千裏一盞燈- 給 千裏一盞燈 發送悄悄話 千裏一盞燈 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 11:44:05

國會正在立法改變這項政策。 -ZoyaWashington- 給 ZoyaWashington 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 11:36:49

他們的父母把他們非法帶到美國,製造的問題難道需要美國負責?你帶著孩子搶銀行,難道警察就不該抓了?是無良父母造成了這一切 -曬太陽的熊貓- 給 曬太陽的熊貓 發送悄悄話 (107 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 11:37:16

是從他們父母手裏搶下來的。有一個父親因為這個還自殺了 -千裏一盞燈- 給 千裏一盞燈 發送悄悄話 千裏一盞燈 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 11:43:18

違法不等於犯罪。 -千裏一盞燈- 給 千裏一盞燈 發送悄悄話 千裏一盞燈 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 11:40:22

有人餓了,到您家門口要個饅頭,您就把他孩子搶走? -千裏一盞燈- 給 千裏一盞燈 發送悄悄話 千裏一盞燈 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 11:49:02

人家可不是拿個饅頭就走, 而是要登堂入室和你共同擁有你的一切 -落英如雪- 給 落英如雪 發送悄悄話 落英如雪 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:19:28

而且你要在他有能力自己賺饅頭前養著他和他全家。 -落英如雪- 給 落英如雪 發送悄悄話 落英如雪 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:20:36

人家不僅僅是要一個饅頭, 人家是要帶著孩子強行住在你家不走了,你得管吃管住,將來人家的親戚盆友也要在你家定居,你同意嗎? -lixiaobai_9- 給 lixiaobai_9 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:21:08

還要你兒子工作掙的錢為人家生孩子交醫藥費,為人家孩子上學交費, 賣iPhone,人家還有可能在你家裏吸毒,如果你不同意, 那你就 -lixiaobai_9- 給 lixiaobai_9 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:24:52

說非法好了,這個更準確。要不然又得扯重罪輕罪的區別。 -曬太陽的熊貓- 給 曬太陽的熊貓 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 11:45:42

左派喜歡舉著人道的大旗,任意踐踏法律 -mobileuser- 給 mobileuser 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 11:48:42

說得太對了! -harebear- 給 harebear 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:29:31

大家回複的觀點GOP senator 都講到了。大家各自有道理,但人性講不講? -citypeasant- 給 citypeasant 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 11:50:56

除了強製骨肉分離就沒別的辦法了? -citypeasant- 給 citypeasant 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 11:51:35

你有辦法的話,請明示。 -曬太陽的熊貓- 給 曬太陽的熊貓 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 11:53:34

我的意思是,再沒有辦法也不能拿孩子做辦法。 -citypeasant- 給 citypeasant 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 11:54:43

我對所有人呼籲。 大人的衝突不能綁架孩子做贖金。必須先停下這非人道的行為。在人道的立場,這和驅趕低端人口沒有區別 -citypeasant- 給 citypeasant 發送悄悄話 (107 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:00:27

但這和孩子有什麽關係?即便是罪犯的孩子,他們也是無辜的,他們不因受罰吧 -citypeasant- 給 citypeasant 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:06:25

從你做起,領養幾個小孩,給這些"可憐的孩子"一個溫暖的家,不要讓納稅人買單。做不到你就是聖母女婊! -harebear- 給 harebear 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:35:23

大人已經被關,承受骨肉分離的痛苦了。這裏說的是孩子,孩子在承受極大的心靈創傷 -citypeasant- 給 citypeasant 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:09:59

明知偷渡違法還要鋌而走險,活該被抓,自己違法還帶著孩子, 罪加一等,孩子不是違法行為的借口,沒有法律規定帶孩子犯法就不用伏法。 -lixiaobai_9- 給 lixiaobai_9 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:31:31

必須先停下這非人道的行為。在人道的立場,這和驅趕低端人口沒有區別 -citypeasant- 給 citypeasant 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:00:47

請你正麵回答,美國公民犯罪要坐牢,是不是因為要跟自己小孩骨肉分離就能免牢獄之災??? -harebear- 給 harebear 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:30:52

父母坐牢不是我的議題。我是說孩子被收容,和所有親人隔離 -citypeasant- 給 citypeasant 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 15:44:28

其實就是這些父母用自己的孩子道德綁架美國。自己違法再加上讓孩子遭罪。不配為人父母。 -真沒什麽- 給 真沒什麽 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:07:53

比中國的戶口製度還差麽?比中國的留守兒童還悲慘麽?…… -polar_bear- 給 polar_bear 發送悄悄話 polar_bear 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:08:46

強製與父母分離,周圍沒有一個親人,關在一個完全陌生的地方。。。 -citypeasant- 給 citypeasant 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:12:16

你是針對父母,我不辯論。現在的議題是孩子,孩子在受罪。 -citypeasant- 給 citypeasant 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:16:05

非洲好多孩子都在受罪呢,死亡邊緣呢 -落英如雪- 給 落英如雪 發送悄悄話 落英如雪 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:21:42

所以美國可以讓更多孩子受罪嗎?你的想法就是人道底線被擊破的好辦法。隻有心夠硬,什麽都可以做 -citypeasant- 給 citypeasant 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:27:21

我是讓你關心更需要幫助的孩子。 別以己度人。 -落英如雪- 給 落英如雪 發送悄悄話 落英如雪 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:31:29

比這些可憐的孩子多去了,中國就有很多 -土豆快滾蛋- 給 土豆快滾蛋 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:33:22

你說可比嗎?這是孽障,要遭報應的。我不是在咒詛。。。 -citypeasant- 給 citypeasant 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:14:07

要遭報應也是他們的爹媽。利用小孩給自己非法進入美國做鋪路石,何其無恥! -harebear- 給 harebear 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:39:21

過分了 -cczz- 給 cczz 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:20:27

法律各有定義? 看到第一句話就知道這種帖子通篇p話。 -harebear- 給 harebear 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:26:55

左bi和穆斯林一樣 都喜歡用孩子做擋箭牌,做武器。記得歐洲那個擺拍的兒童照片,直接導致幾百萬穆斯林進入歐洲 -土豆快滾蛋- 給 土豆快滾蛋 發送悄悄話 (41 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:31:38

+1 -harebear- 給 harebear 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:37:16

假人道 -toppsjf- 給 toppsjf 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 13:26:26

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