從矽穀槍殺案,亂談美國文化的情理問題
(2008-11-15 09:46:00)
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看到矽穀槍殺案的發生,很震驚!這個槍殺案的發生是個悲劇,不管是對槍殺者還是被槍殺者,他們的家庭,還有整個社會,都是一大悲劇。相信造成這個悲劇發生的最直接原因,就是最近所發生的金融海嘯所帶來的裁員風潮。
中國人講究的是合情合理,做事情要講情理。但美國人隻講理,不講情。公司要生存,要節省開支,最簡單也是快捷的方法就是裁員,layoff那些曾經為公司幹活和拚命的雇員和員工。這在美國是合理的,但是不是合情就很難說了。合理隻是解決了公司的法律問題,但不合情,就可能會造成很多個人在經濟和心理上的問題,有的可能會上升到崩潰的問題,甚至還會牽扯到很多的社會問題。這次案子就是一個例子,至少有四個家庭從此解體了。還不敢肯定公司老板在處理問題的方式上是否有不合情理的問題,但相信這個案件應該和處理問題會有一些關係。
個人認為,要解決公司的財務危機應該有很多辦法,裁員不應該是解決公司經濟問題的最好方法,隻應該是最後的方法,而且也是不得已的辦法。在layoff之前應該首先考慮其他途徑縮減開支。當然還有另外一直接有效方法就是降薪。公司的領導階層的工資為什麽隻能升不能降,這就是其中之不情理之一。如果必要,應該從CEO開始降,最後再到落到普通員工,除了能同甘,還要能共苦。如果真能做到有難同當,大部分的情理問題也將會解決,那種造成個人,生命和社會上的悲劇也相信會大大減低。但不明白的是,公司大多不願意采用降薪的方法。而是喜歡那種野蠻粗魯的快刀手法,一刀到位!
通過這件事仔細想想才發現,原來公司的layoff是有法律保護的,但員工的工作權利是沒有任何保護,就是如果要被勒掉是沒有法律保護的,據說在中國有個什麽勞動保護法,公司不能隨意勒人,也許這就是社會主義和資本主義的差別。這也就是那種合理也許不合情的怪事。美國是一個法製國家,依法治國。因而美國有很多合理不合情的事。很多社會問題都是由此造成。但如果解決好了情理問題,相信很多社會問題也就自然解決了。很多悲劇也就不再發生或者大大減低。
聽說下一波的大裁員就要開始了。公司的CEO們,當你的layoff大刀砍下去之前,除了考慮一下公司的錢途,也應該考慮一下為你賣命的員工的生存問題。希望不到萬不得已,這一刀千萬別砍下去。。。
-“別太認真了”,寫於經濟危機的大裁員前夕!
If he can manage the layoff, without too much problem from the staff, he will be the hero from the board of directors' view, and he will be the hero from stock holder's view.
How many times you see a company stock went up when the layoff arrounce? A lot. Everyone is selfish, don't blame the CEO, he is just doing his job to survive.
非常感謝各位的熱情討論。不管是同意的,還是反對,大家的心都是好的。觀點不同,可以理解,畢竟每個人所處的環境不同,看問題的角度也不一樣,當然最後所得出的結論也就可能不一樣。隻要能多一分理解,加強溝通,相信就能減少很多悲劇的發生。
最後再次感謝各位光臨寒舍做客!
想一想那留在身後的家人們!有四個家庭呢!
太悲哀了!
法律並非萬能,不能100%保你一切,但可最大限度保衛政府。
老子瓜瓜落地,赤條條一分錢的沒有。現在過了30年,有房了有車了有孩子了,咋看也賺了。真的找不到工作,去洗碗,做清潔工去,有一雙手在,還怕餓死的。
"....Only a few weeks ago, another Indian CEO, also an IIT Kanpur alumnus, was murdered in New Delhi. beaten by laid-off workers.
Siport, Sid Agarwal’s startup he founded 4 years ago, recently received an HD-radio-ready-certification for its single-chip HD radio receiver which is said to provide digital and analog FM performance for the mobile, tabletop and automotive aftermarket segments. The HD-radio uses digital radio signals over the same airwaves used by AM and FM airwaves. In a recent guest column, Agarwal talked of the opportunities in this growing segment and the need to hire good engineers. Ironically, a vengeful and a bad engineer did him in. ..."
這兩個季度會大量裁人,沒辦法? 你咋知道? 裁人是美國公司的文化.歐洲日本就不同.
so you think CEO gets high pay because of their contribution ??!! Come on you naive idiot, no wonder those greedy criminal CEOs can cheat people, it is because idiots like you trust their bull shit. tell me, if they are not so greedy how can we have today's Wall street problem, how can we have sub prime problem, how can we have this financial credit crisis ? Those CEOs messed up the company, messed up the market, they ran away with many many millions of dolars. And you think they get paid because of high contribution ? Then why are FBI and other law enforcement chasing them and put tem into jail ? Listen, it is not people are jealous of them, it is because they are criminals that should be punished by law an dput into jail.
You are just partially correct. Both you and CEO have right to leave the firm at any time and at will. But, the difference is if the company fires you, you may get noting; if CEO is fired he will get millions or more. So, from the very beginning point you and CEO are set at completely unequal stages. For him, he can mess up the whole compnay and the consequence is company has to "pay" his "loss" by millions of $$ (really don't get what's his "loss"). But for you, even you don't mess up a thing, you can be fired for no reason. He is an elephant and you are an ant, and the elephant is telling the ant not to complain...
so you think CEO gets high pay because of their contribution ??!! Come on you naive idiot, no wonder those greedy criminal CEOs can cheat people, it is because idiots like you trust their bull shit. tell me, if they are not so greedy how can we have today's Wall street problem, how can we have sub prime problem, how can we have this financial credit crisis ? Those CEOs messed up the company, messed up the market, they ran away with many many millions of dolars. And you think they get paid because of high contribution ? Then why are FBI and other law enforcement chasing them and put tem into jail ? Listen, it is not people are jealous of them, it is because they are criminals that should be punished by law an dput into jail.
美國的公司不是沒辦法,一般很少解雇人的,包括大家都不喜歡,也不認真工作的人,也都能混著。要是拿到中國,早就開除到哪裏去了。
再者,不顧經濟環境,公司情況,要求公司“合情”的留下員工,那才是最不合情的想法。
更重要的是,法治社會裏,公民意識基本點就是手法,而“情理”是次要的,一百個人可能有一百的情理。
其實大家都大家遵守同一個遊戲規則 (法) 時,可能會比所謂"情"還要公平些.因為"人情"常常可以通過很多途徑建立/"培養"/獲得,因人而異,有時是種非常複雜且無章可循的情緒連接.
其實,美國人也並非不考慮"人情".譬如拿高工資的GEO/高層管理者們通常不會首當其衝被裁掉, 恐怕也正是出於老板們"人情"吧.