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如果方舟子陰謀設計了整個事件，我們一點都不奇怪。--Evan Kass (4763 bytes)
Posted by: mendel
Date: September 26, 2010 03:58AM
還是洋人強。Evan Kass對方舟子的揭露和認識真是入木三分啊
很不幸，竟然有人試圖在沒有證據或證據不被同行認可的狀況下給肖醫生定罪。那個叫 Jian
Ping的人所講的話，是典型的試圖在沒有證據或證據不被同行認可的狀況下的發言。當然，我
為肖傳國醫生辯護，是因為我認為肖醫生是個勤奮工作並很誠實的科學家和醫生。我個人親身
經曆並見證了肖醫生做“肖氏手術”。我不得不說，他是一個無與倫比的，天才的外科手術醫生。
我會在世界上許多國家取得成功。他毫無必要偽造數據來美化他的手術。他可以很誠實地告訴
你們的是，他的手術在我們的一些病人身上非常成功。是不是肖氏手術可以在每個脊柱裂小孩
身上有效呢？當然不是。我們可以選擇那些更適合肖氏手術的病人嗎？當然可以，絕對的可以。
那正是我們研究的目的。那些批評我們選擇病人這一做法或懷疑肖醫生的“肖氏手術\\\'缺乏一定
的有效性的人，不應該隻是狂狗吠月，需要更多的調查研究和數據。我們在Beaumont醫院的
研究，在接受病人之前，已經通過內部和外部的多次審查。任何批評我們研究方法的人，很明
顯是不客觀的。人們當然要懷疑和質問他們所謂批評的背後動機。針對那些攻擊性的指控，很
明顯，我，而不是這個論壇上的其他人，才知道事情的真相。但是，如果你們跟著方舟子，亦
步亦趨，人們會非常懷疑方舟子提出的任何指控。因為方舟子是個需要複仇的人。任何人如果
選擇站在一個被指控抄襲（方舟子被指控抄襲），被法庭判決賠償以及多年來一直試圖毀掉一名
曾舉報過他抄襲的人的職業的人一邊，人們當然會質疑那個人的判斷力。我選擇為一個有名譽
的男人辯護，因為這人是一個天才的外科手術醫生，勤奮的科學家和擁有善良的靈魂。
這個男人是否因為有另一個男人一直在騷擾他並一直試圖毀壞他的名譽而被逼到他所能承受的
極限？也許。任何人都會被逼到毫無退路的死角如果有人年複一年地用不實的指控來毀滅打擊
他。但是，我認為，肖醫生不會這麽做。盡管方是明（方舟子）試圖毀壞他的名譽，肖醫生一
直在世界各地受到人們的尊敬。他不是一個處於絕望的人。
在我們科學社會裏，許多人都曾看到過方舟子攻擊肖醫生的胡言亂語，我們都會把它當作一個
不顧一切尋求報複的人的話語，一笑了之。
如果方舟子陰謀設計了整個事件，我們一點都不奇怪。
引用:
Perhaps,is not reviewed by moderator yet. He posted it at
21：40 on Saturday
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Evan Kass MD Chief of Pediatric Urology Beaumont Children\\\'s Hospital has commented Saturday, September 25, 2010,21:40:44
Unfortunately, there are those who would try to convict Dr Xiao without evidence or a fair judgement of the evidence by his peers. Jian Ping\\\'s comments are typical of those who would convict an innocent man without a fair and honest view of the evidence. Certainly, I defend Dr Xiao because he is, in my opinion, an honest hardworking scientist and surgeon. I have personally witnessed Dr Xiao doing his surgery and must say that he is an exceptionally gifted surgeon who would be successful in any country in the world. He did not need to falsify data to justify his procedure and I can tell you honestly that his procedure has worked wonderfully in some of our patients. Does it work for every child with spina bifida? Certainly not. Can we sub-select patients who would do better than others? Absolutely. That is the purpose of our study, and those that would criticize our methodology or the fact that Dr Xiao\\\'s procedure has some validity have to do more than simply bark at the moon.
Our study at Beaumont has passed through multiple reviews both internally and externally before we were able to enroll patients, and anyone who tries to criticize our methodology, obviously is not objective and one must certainly question their motivations. As to the charge of assault, it is obvious that I, nor anyone on this blog knows the truth, but if you follow the career of Mr Fang, one should be very suspicious of any charges that Mr fang makes, because he is a man possessed by the need for revenge. If one chooses the side of a man who has been charged with plagerism, lost his counterclaim in court and has spent the last several years trying to destroy the career of the man he suspects of reporting him for falsifying data, then one certainly has to question that persons judgement. I choose to defend an honorable man that I know is a gifted surgeon, hard working scientist and a gentle kind soul.
Could he have been pushed to his limit by a man who has harassed him at every turn and has tried to ruin his good reputation? Perhaps. Anyone can be pushed beyond the point of no return if they are constantly bombarded with false accusations, but, in my opinion, I do not think Dr Xiao is capable of such an action. Dr Xiao, despite all of the attempts of Mr Fang to discredit him continues to be a well respected person throughout the world and is not a desperate man.
Most of us in the scientific community have read the ravings of Mr Fang and dismissed them as the words of a man hell bent on revenge. We would not be surprised if he engineered this whole event.
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Posted by: mendel
Date: September 26, 2010 03:58AM
還是洋人強。Evan Kass對方舟子的揭露和認識真是入木三分啊
很不幸，竟然有人試圖在沒有證據或證據不被同行認可的狀況下給肖醫生定罪。那個叫 Jian
Ping的人所講的話，是典型的試圖在沒有證據或證據不被同行認可的狀況下的發言。當然，我
為肖傳國醫生辯護，是因為我認為肖醫生是個勤奮工作並很誠實的科學家和醫生。我個人親身
經曆並見證了肖醫生做“肖氏手術”。我不得不說，他是一個無與倫比的，天才的外科手術醫生。
我會在世界上許多國家取得成功。他毫無必要偽造數據來美化他的手術。他可以很誠實地告訴
你們的是，他的手術在我們的一些病人身上非常成功。是不是肖氏手術可以在每個脊柱裂小孩
身上有效呢？當然不是。我們可以選擇那些更適合肖氏手術的病人嗎？當然可以，絕對的可以。
那正是我們研究的目的。那些批評我們選擇病人這一做法或懷疑肖醫生的“肖氏手術\\\'缺乏一定
的有效性的人，不應該隻是狂狗吠月，需要更多的調查研究和數據。我們在Beaumont醫院的
研究，在接受病人之前，已經通過內部和外部的多次審查。任何批評我們研究方法的人，很明
顯是不客觀的。人們當然要懷疑和質問他們所謂批評的背後動機。針對那些攻擊性的指控，很
明顯，我，而不是這個論壇上的其他人，才知道事情的真相。但是，如果你們跟著方舟子，亦
步亦趨，人們會非常懷疑方舟子提出的任何指控。因為方舟子是個需要複仇的人。任何人如果
選擇站在一個被指控抄襲（方舟子被指控抄襲），被法庭判決賠償以及多年來一直試圖毀掉一名
曾舉報過他抄襲的人的職業的人一邊，人們當然會質疑那個人的判斷力。我選擇為一個有名譽
的男人辯護，因為這人是一個天才的外科手術醫生，勤奮的科學家和擁有善良的靈魂。
這個男人是否因為有另一個男人一直在騷擾他並一直試圖毀壞他的名譽而被逼到他所能承受的
極限？也許。任何人都會被逼到毫無退路的死角如果有人年複一年地用不實的指控來毀滅打擊
他。但是，我認為，肖醫生不會這麽做。盡管方是明（方舟子）試圖毀壞他的名譽，肖醫生一
直在世界各地受到人們的尊敬。他不是一個處於絕望的人。
在我們科學社會裏，許多人都曾看到過方舟子攻擊肖醫生的胡言亂語，我們都會把它當作一個
不顧一切尋求報複的人的話語，一笑了之。
如果方舟子陰謀設計了整個事件，我們一點都不奇怪。
引用:
Perhaps,is not reviewed by moderator yet. He posted it at
21：40 on Saturday
=============
Evan Kass MD Chief of Pediatric Urology Beaumont Children\\\'s Hospital has commented Saturday, September 25, 2010,21:40:44
Unfortunately, there are those who would try to convict Dr Xiao without evidence or a fair judgement of the evidence by his peers. Jian Ping\\\'s comments are typical of those who would convict an innocent man without a fair and honest view of the evidence. Certainly, I defend Dr Xiao because he is, in my opinion, an honest hardworking scientist and surgeon. I have personally witnessed Dr Xiao doing his surgery and must say that he is an exceptionally gifted surgeon who would be successful in any country in the world. He did not need to falsify data to justify his procedure and I can tell you honestly that his procedure has worked wonderfully in some of our patients. Does it work for every child with spina bifida? Certainly not. Can we sub-select patients who would do better than others? Absolutely. That is the purpose of our study, and those that would criticize our methodology or the fact that Dr Xiao\\\'s procedure has some validity have to do more than simply bark at the moon.
Our study at Beaumont has passed through multiple reviews both internally and externally before we were able to enroll patients, and anyone who tries to criticize our methodology, obviously is not objective and one must certainly question their motivations. As to the charge of assault, it is obvious that I, nor anyone on this blog knows the truth, but if you follow the career of Mr Fang, one should be very suspicious of any charges that Mr fang makes, because he is a man possessed by the need for revenge. If one chooses the side of a man who has been charged with plagerism, lost his counterclaim in court and has spent the last several years trying to destroy the career of the man he suspects of reporting him for falsifying data, then one certainly has to question that persons judgement. I choose to defend an honorable man that I know is a gifted surgeon, hard working scientist and a gentle kind soul.
Could he have been pushed to his limit by a man who has harassed him at every turn and has tried to ruin his good reputation? Perhaps. Anyone can be pushed beyond the point of no return if they are constantly bombarded with false accusations, but, in my opinion, I do not think Dr Xiao is capable of such an action. Dr Xiao, despite all of the attempts of Mr Fang to discredit him continues to be a well respected person throughout the world and is not a desperate man.
Most of us in the scientific community have read the ravings of Mr Fang and dismissed them as the words of a man hell bent on revenge. We would not be surprised if he engineered this whole event.
[news.sciencemag.or...attacks.html]
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