發信人: eda (Lucy~~幸福進行時), 信區: Working標 題: A Chinese Engineer Who Died in the Immigration Detention Ce發信站: BBS 未名空間站 (Wed Dec 3 00:32:57 2008), 轉信It is such a sad story.................August 17, 2008EDITORIALMr. Ng's DeathThis country's harsh regime of immigration enforcement is racked with troubles from top to bottom, from the federal raids recklessly sweeping thousands of harmless immigrants into custody to the scandal-riddled detention system that abuses and neglects them once they get there.Last week, The Times's Nina Bernstein reported on another shameful case of someone entering immigration detention, getting sick, and dying. This time itwas Hiu Lui Ng, a computer engineer from China. He paid the ultimate price for overstaying a visa, and getting lost in a sprawling system that some have likened to a gulag.Immigration and Customs Enforcement will not comment because of a continuinginvestigation. But court affidavits tell a story of shocking neglect:Although he complained of excruciating back pain for months, and grew ever frailer in custody, officials at the Rhode Island detention center where he was being held denied Mr. Ng an independent medical evaluation and even a wheelchair. At one point, according to the affidavits, he was shackled and taken in an ambulance for a two-hour drive to Hartford, where an immigration officer pressured him to stop appealing his case and accept deportation.When lawyers finally persuaded a judge to insist on suitable medical treatment for Mr. Ng, the long-deferred diagnosis was dire. Prison officials had said it was all an act. It was terminal cancer - and a broken spine. Mr. Ng was taken to the hospital, and died five days later.One must wonder why Mr. Ng was in prison at all. He was no dangerous criminal. He entered the country legally but overstayed a visa years ago. His asylum plea was rejected, and he missed a court date when the order was sent to the wrong address. In the ensuing years, he went to college, married, and fathered two sons.His wife, a naturalized citizen, petitioned to get him legal residency, but at his green-card interview last summer, he was seized.To ensure that other detainees do not meet Mr. Ng's awful fate, Congress should pass the Detainee Basic Medical Care Act, sponsored by Senator Robert Menendez, Democrat of New Jersey, and Representative Zoe Lofgren, Democrat of California. It would impose mandatory health care standards on the detentionsystem, a rapidly growing and deeply flawed ad-hoc network of local, state,federal and privately run lockups.Immigration officials keep insisting that detention care is adequate and getting better. But it will take far more than promises of more audits to buildconfidence in a system that allows people to suffer so grievously.Immigrant advocates have long complained about the lack of due process for people who run afoul of the country's convoluted immigration laws. But accessto decent medical care is an even starker problem.While reasonable minds can differ on some aspects of the immigration debate,protecting the health of detainees is not one of them. Allowing sick peopleto suffer and die in custody without adequate treatment is unacceptable andviolates the most fundamental standards of American law and decency. The system must be fixed. --黑眼圈不一定要蓋光,這樣會有深邃的感覺,眼睛感覺會大一點。※ 來源:·BBS 未名空間站 海外: mitbbs.com 中國: mitbbs.cn·[FROM: 98.219.]
發信人: jiudi (沉默的魚不咬鉤), 信區: Working標 題: Re: A Chinese Engineer Who Died in the Immigration Detention 發信站: BBS 未名空間站 (Wed Dec 3 02:02:29 2008)I am so sorry about that but... Mr. Ng?【 在 eda (Lucy~~幸福進行時) 的大作中提到: 】: It is such a sad story.................: August 17, 2008: EDITORIAL: Mr. Ng's Death: This country's harsh regime of immigration enforcement is racked with troubl: es from top to bottom, from the federal raids recklessly sweeping thousands : of harmless immigrants into custody to the scandal-riddled detention system : that abuses and neglects them once they get there.: Last week, The Times's Nina Bernstein reported on another shameful case ofs: omeone entering immigration detention, getting sick, and dying. This time it: ...................--※ 來源:·WWW 未名空間站 海外: mitbbs.com 中國: mitbbs.cn·[FROM: 68.5.]
發信人: mjpn (mj), 信區: Working標 題: Re: A Chinese Engineer Who Died in the Immigration Detention 發信站: BBS 未名空間站 (Wed Dec 3 05:29:50 2008)If he was out of status long time ago, how did he go to school and work in the passed 10+ years? Did he apply and get approved for F1, H1?【 在 eda (Lucy~~幸福進行時) 的大作中提到: 】: It is such a sad story.................: August 17, 2008: EDITORIAL: Mr. Ng's Death: This country's harsh regime of immigration enforcement is racked with troubl: es from top to bottom, from the federal raids recklessly sweeping thousands : of harmless immigrants into custody to the scandal-riddled detention system : that abuses and neglects them once they get there.: Last week, The Times's Nina Bernstein reported on another shameful case ofs: omeone entering immigration detention, getting sick, and dying. This time it: ...................--※ 來源:·WWW 未名空間站 海外: mitbbs.com 中國: mitbbs.cn·[FROM: 71.114.]
發信人: Beijing (學什麽都不如有綠卡), 信區: Working標 題: Re: A Chinese Engineer Who Died in the Immigration Detent發信站: BBS 未名空間站 (Wed Dec 3 09:03:11 2008)245i ?【 在 mjpn (mj) 的大作中提到: 】: If he was out of status long time ago, how did he go to school and work in : the passed 10+ years? Did he apply and get approved for F1, H1?: troubl: thousands : system : s: it--1. 本人言論僅供參考2. 聽不得人說Vivian Chow長得不美3. 如果不想被愛所傷,就永遠不要去愛4. 一定要找個能養我的PPMM5. 成功=命中注定6. 活著就是幸福※ 來源:·WWW 未名空間站 海外: mitbbs.com 中國: mitbbs.cn·[FROM: 64.242.]
發信人: WindFollower (~~隨風飄逝~~), 信區: Working標 題: Re: A Chinese Engineer Who Died in the Immigration Detention 發信站: BBS 未名空間站 (Wed Dec 3 09:56:30 2008)好像是一個Out of Status,但是靠老婆公民辦到綠卡麵試了,結果被抓起來了。人家說他隻要同意被遣返中國就可以馬上結案,他不同意,堅持上訴,結果死了。應該當時同意回中國,以後再簽出來呀,不知道為什麽不同意。難道是輪輪或什麽的?--※ 來源:·WWW 未名空間站 海外: mitbbs.com 中國: mitbbs.cn·[FROM: 162.136.]
發信人: yqwen (小少爺), 信區: Working標 題: Re: A Chinese Engineer Who Died in the Immigration Detent發信站: BBS 未名空間站 (Wed Dec 3 14:42:02 2008)"...應該當時同意回中國,以後再簽出來呀..."-- 沒這麽簡單【 在 WindFollower (~~隨風飄逝~~) 的大作中提到: 】: 好像是一個Out of Status,但是靠老婆公民辦到綠卡麵試了,結果被抓起來了。: 人家說他隻要同意被遣返中國就可以馬上結案,他不同意,堅持上訴,結果死了。: 應該當時同意回中國,以後再簽出來呀,不知道為什麽不同意。難道是輪輪或什麽的?--※ 來源:·WWW 未名空間站 海外: mitbbs.com 中國: mitbbs.cn·[FROM: 144.212.]
發信人: yqwen (小少爺), 信區: Working標 題: Re: A Chinese Engineer Who Died in the Immigration Detent發信站: BBS 未名空間站 (Wed Dec 3 14:43:14 2008)Ng = 吳, 越南華人很多這麽拚的【 在 jiudi (沉默的魚不咬鉤) 的大作中提到: 】: I am so sorry about that but... Mr. Ng?: troubl: thousands : system : s: it--※ 來源:·WWW 未名空間站 海外: mitbbs.com 中國: mitbbs.cn·[FROM: 144.212.]
發信人: Android (Android), 信區: Working標 題: Re: A Chinese Engineer Who Died in the Immigration Detention 發信站: BBS 未名空間站 (Wed Dec 3 15:27:26 2008)he is not chinese, he is vietnamese--※ 來源:·WWW 未名空間站 海外: mitbbs.com 中國: mitbbs.cn·[FROM: 152.11.]
發信人: eda (Lucy~~幸福進行時), 信區: Working標 題: Re: A Chinese Engineer Who Died in the Immigration Detentio發信站: BBS 未名空間站 (Wed Dec 3 16:28:00 2008), 轉信我看了原始的法院記錄。這個華人是中國浙江人。可能是後來申請了香港護照,所以姓名變成了ng的拚音。他最早是用B-1/B-2簽證來美國的,應該來的時候年齡很小。然後申請了政治庇護,移民法庭要求他出庭,但是出庭通知寄到了一個錯誤的地址。由於他沒有出庭,移民法官就缺席審判了他的案件,並下了驅逐出境令。後來Ng同學和一個綠卡人結婚,提交了一個結婚移民申請。等了5年多這個案件也沒有下來,然後他老婆就成了美國公民。於是他老婆就又幫他重新提交了一個新的結婚移民申請。在後來遞交新申請的時候,他們通過律師知道了之前的驅逐出境令。但是這個律師水平可能有點問題,並沒有提出很好的法律意見和文書。由於公民配偶的綠卡有名額,所以移民局就很快安排了他們的移民麵談。這個律師仍然沒有提出可能的危險。於是兩夫妻在去移民局麵談的時候,移民執法人員就在移民局等著ng,直接把他抓到了監獄裏。(以上為了通俗易懂起見,很多名詞沒有用法律術語。:-)然後Ng就在監獄裏死於癌症。由於移民局沒有提供足夠的醫療設備,據說死的時候,脊柱骨已經斷掉了。唉,看文章的時候真難過。美國的移民執法部門簡直是混亂得讓人難以置信。如果ng找到一個好的律師的話,現在早就已經得到了綠卡,可以在美國自由的生活了。每個人都以為這樣的事情可能離自己很遠。其實並非如此。上次碰到一個客戶,從學生簽證轉到H-4,然後再提交了I-485。可是偏偏移民局的係統記錄有錯,顯示她I-20過期後仍然非法居留在美國,結果也被移民局送上遞解出境的境地。後來由於地址更換的問題,沒有收到出庭通知,也被移民法官缺席審判了驅逐出境令。等她離開美國的時候,才意外收到了這封驅逐出境令。差點就再也回不來美國了。【 在 WindFollower (~~隨風飄逝~~) 的大作中提到: 】: 好像是一個Out of Status,但是靠老婆公民辦到綠卡麵試了,結果被抓起來了。: 人家說他隻要同意被遣返中國就可以馬上結案,他不同意,堅持上訴,結果死了。: 應該當時同意回中國,以後再簽出來呀,不知道為什麽不同意。難道是輪輪或什麽的?--黑眼圈不一定要蓋光,這樣會有深邃的感覺,眼睛感覺會大一點。※ 來源:·BBS 未名空間站 海外: mitbbs.com 中國: mitbbs.cn·[FROM: 72.54.]
標 題: Re: A Chinese Engineer Who Died in the Immigration Detent發信站: BBS 未名空間站 (Wed Dec 3 17:29:22 2008)這個錯誤地址是不是他們故意留錯的? Ng came to New York from Hong Kong in 1992 at age 17. He went to college, became a computer engineer, married a United States citizen and fathered twoAmerican born sons.[1] He entered United States legally but had overstayed a visa years ago. The government rejected his pleas for political asylum. Hemissed a court date in 2001 when the order was sent to a nonexistent address, and the judge ordered him deported when he did not show up at the hearing.[2] His wife, a naturalized citizen, had petitioned to get him legalresidency, but he was seized at his final green card interview on July 19, 2007 on the old deportation order.[3]【 在 Android (Android) 的大作中提到: 】: he is not chinese, he is vietnamese--http://www.MyVisaJobs.com/ - the Work Visa Solution!F1 Visa, J1 Visa, H1B Visa, TN Visa and Green Cards.....※ 來源:·WWW 未名空間站 海外: mitbbs.com 中國: mitbbs.cn·[FROM: 65.51.]
標 題: Re: A Chinese Engineer Who Died in the Immigration Detention 發信站: BBS 未名空間站 (Wed Dec 3 22:38:22 2008)說一下我身邊的例子細節就不講了隻講幾點終要的原則關係到你的生命這位同學死在集中營毫不奇怪怪他沒有看到問題的嚴重性真實的情況很可能是在局子裏被謀害了根本不不是什麽癌症而死其實他是有選擇的就是選 deportation這裏說一下如果沒有案底deportation根本沒有什麽可怕的但是對生活肯定是有很大的衝擊因此進入到最後一步讓他接受deportation的時候明治的是馬上接受deportation接下去就是送回他持護照的原居地中國或香港看他當時那什麽護照了然後他在花錢辦移民當然現在的情形也可能好幾年都無法回美國給生活帶來很多不變但是至少生命有保障但是他作出了關鍵也是極為錯誤的決定就是拒絕deportation因此移民局好無選擇隻好把他送進集中營了以後的事情就和移民局沒有關係了而集中營基本上是九死一生我看到很多這方麵的報導脊柱都被打斷了太慘了