1/17/2013, chatting in TZLC Group
剩餘價值是馬克思主義的基石。You got to respect those “Westerners” (especially Jewish), in the sense that their “形式”能力非常高:個把公理,導處一堆定理,引出千千萬萬……等某個實證和理論有重大偏差,再回頭修正。相對中國個人的思維方式完全不是這樣的,天工開物多,理論非常少而弱。
When in high school, we were told 生產要素為:勞動者、勞動資料、和勞動對象。馬克思“發現”了剩餘價值,which被萬惡的資本家竊取了。Well, that’s at least logical (in that system), there is stuff left on the table, which supposed to be given to勞動者 (pending definition).
When in college, 經管學院教both社會主義經濟學and西方經濟學,in which the definition of 生產要素broaden to:資本and企業家。I just went online and checked what’s the latest, here is one:
生產要素通常包括資本、勞動力、技術、土地、經濟信息和經濟管理等六種。
· 資本包括資本貨物(機器設備、廠房建築物和原材料等)和金融資產(股票、債券和借款等);
· 勞動力包括體力勞動者和腦力勞動者;
· 技術包括文字、表格、數據、配方等有形形態,也包括實際生產經驗、個人的專門技能等無形形態;
· 土地不僅包括其本身,還包括地下的礦藏和地上的自然資源;
· 經濟信息要素是指與產品生產、銷售和消費直接相關的消息、情報、數據和知識等;
· 經濟管理要素又稱為生產組織要素或企業家才能要素。
My point is, if there is something left on the table, theoretically it belongs to all of those above. We all know now, forget about the theories for the moment, a worker without knowledge/skill doesn’t worth much, a business without strong management can’t survive for long, without data it’s like no blood…
所謂萬惡的資本家,其實當中包括了資本的回報,管理,各種專業性的腦力勞動...承擔了風險,打造了舞台,推動了社會進步……
Don’t get me wrong, KM is a great Philosopher with great intention. There are few people like him could stand that high, but any theory system could be wrong or at least 不完備.
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