Coalition casualties in the air campaign (Date 17 January 1991 – 23 February 1991):
75 aircraft ? 52 fixed-wing aircraft and 23 helicopters
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War_air_campaign
nightrider 發表評論於
@houtou72:
Before you meander into some political conspiracy theory, let us just look at the specific claim you are making.
"有關我說的飛機攻擊失敗及其數據來自於我兩次當時見過的報道。"
If that is true, the reports should be easily searchable, particularly if it is true as you claimed they were from reporters embedded with the troops. You claim the number of reports you have seen is two. What do you mean by "兩次的重複報道"? Does it mean the same story from the same source repeatedly appeared on two different websites? That should not count as two distinct sources.
The fact is that you can not find the source. You have no evidence.
"我再重複一遍:我相信我的記憶,就如同你對我說的飛機損失數量感到驚人那樣。我在當時也同樣感到非常吃驚。由此記憶深刻,不會記錯。"
This is no evidence. Nobody making a claim would acknowledge he has a faulty memory, just as a murderer would rarely admit guilt until faced with overwhelming evidence. Besides, it is an experimental fact that people manufacture memory unintentionally.
Google says the reports do not exist and you claim they do. Who do you think people will believe?
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Your memory cannot even count as ordinary evidence not to mention extraordinary.
Let us suppose the reports do exist. You and I and many others do think this is an extraordinary claim. Again, Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You said "我不是說美國說的和宣傳的我都不相信,而是經過思考和分析後在決定是否相信。也就是說,無論誰說什麽都不盲從。特別是在能夠對我思想中造成概念性影響的事件,必須經過分析才接受。" I applaud your principle. But you do not seem to apply this principle. What kind of analysis have you performed? You have not said a word of it. You said "在此之前,無論多少鋪天蓋地的潤色宣傳來輔佐人們去相信某一件事,我都不會輕易的按照事件的表麵感覺去盲從的。" So two reports making extraordinary claims makes you believe the truthfulness of it immediately? Does that mean the less evidence there is, and more unlikely the claim is which certainly impresses one more, the more likely you will believe the claim? This contradicts your very principle "特別是在能夠對我思想中造成概念性影響的事件,必須經過分析才接受。"
houtou72 發表評論於 2018-06-13 06:29:12
這種數據任你信。包括洗衣粉,包括美軍的英雄:事先就拍好了標準照。當了美軍的造假英雄後受到全美人民的譴責
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好像樓主對美國的什麽報道都不信了,這是樓主的問題。
一天損失100架飛機可是聳人聽聞啊,更不用說美國在伊拉克戰爭中一邊倒。建議樓主發帖時嚴謹一些,核實核實數據。如果是有意如此,那我也無話可說。過去什麽西點軍校學雷鋒,哈佛教授大讚毛主席的無稽之談網上太多了!
樓主可用以下關鍵詞查一查:List of aviation shootdowns and accidents during the Iraq War。 我得到的是非常詳細的不同時間的列單,和我的印象吻合。
nightrider 發表評論於
@houtou72:
So you do not have any reference. This together with "我認為顯然網上能公布的數據有所隱瞞", what makes you think "美軍在當天的攻擊行動中僅僅幾個小時就損失了近100 架直升機" is not the product of your faulty memory? Does "那個時候讀到的戰地記者采訪的、美參戰的飛機駕駛員" even exist?