美國總統特使史蒂夫·維特科夫在電話中,向俄羅斯建議如何向特朗普推銷他們的烏克蘭計劃 -彭博社

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這是文字記錄。史蒂夫·維特科夫(西南)和尤裏·烏沙科夫(尤裏·烏沙科夫),普京的外交政策顧問。

維特科夫正在向我們最大的對手透露如何操縱忽悠美國總統的內部情報。

他提議先祝賀大嘴的加沙和平計劃的成功,讓大嘴開心。然後建議仿照加沙和平20點計劃,來製造一個類似的,然後放在桌麵上,逼迫烏克蘭簽字。

[電話鈴響]

史蒂夫·維特科夫:你好,尤裏。

尤裏·烏沙科夫:是的,史蒂夫,你好嗎?

SW:很好,尤裏。你好嗎?

餘:我沒事。恭喜你,我的朋友。

SW:謝謝。

餘:你幹得很棒。這份工作真棒。非常感謝。謝謝,謝謝。

SW:謝謝你,Yuri,也感謝你的支持。我知道你們國家支持了它,我很感謝你們。

餘:是的,是的,是的。是的。你知道這就是為什麽我們暫停了第一次俄阿峰會的組織。

SW:是的。

餘:是的,因為我們認為你在該地區真正獲得了工作。

SW:聽我說。我要告訴你一件事。我覺得,如果我們能解決俄烏問題,大家都會高興得跳起來。

餘:是的,是的,是的。是的,你隻需要解決一個問題。[笑]

SW:什麽?

餘:俄烏戰爭。

SW:我知道!我們該如何解決這個問題?

餘:朋友,我隻是想聽聽你的建議。你覺得如果我們的老板們願意通電話會有用嗎?

SW:是的,我有。

餘:你知道。你覺得這可能是什麽時候?

SW:我覺得隻要你提議,我的人就準備好了。

餘:好,好。SW:尤裏,尤裏,我會這麽做。我的建議是。 餘:好的,請。

SW:我會打電話,並重申你祝賀總統取得這一成就,你支持它,你尊重他是一個和平之人,你真的很高興看到這一切發生。所以我會這麽說。我覺得從這個決定來看,這將是一個非常明智的選擇。

因為——讓我告訴你我對總統說的話。我告訴總統,俄羅斯聯邦一直希望達成和平協議。這是我的信念。我告訴總統我相信這一點。我認為問題是——問題在於我們有兩個國家都難以達成妥協,一旦達成,我們將達成和平協議。我甚至在想,也許我們會像在加沙那樣提出一個20點的和平提案。我們製定了一個20點的特朗普計劃,20點支持和平,我在想也許我們也可以對你做同樣的事。我的意思是......

餘:好,好,我的朋友。我認為我們的領導人可以討論這個問題。嘿,史蒂夫,我同意你的看法,他會祝賀他,他會說特朗普先生是真正的和平主義者,諸如此類。他會這麽說。

SW:但我覺得這會很棒。

餘:好,好。

SW:如果,如果......聽我說......

餘:我會和老板商量,然後再回來找你。還行?

SW:是的,因為聽我說。我隻想讓你說,也許隻是對普京總統說,因為你知道我對普京總統懷有最深的敬意。

餘:是的,是的。

SW:也許他會對特朗普總統說:你知道,史蒂夫和尤裏討論過一個與和平非常相似的20點計劃,我們認為這可能會推動一些進展,我們對這類方案持開放態度——探索達成和平協議所需的條件。現在,我告訴你,我知道達成和平協議需要什麽:頓涅茨克,也許還有一個未定地方。但我想說,與其那樣說,不如多聊聊,希望如此,因為我覺得我們會達成協議。我認為尤裏,總統會給我很多空間和裁量權,以便達成協議。

餘:我明白了......

西 南部:。。。所以如果我們能創造那個機會,之後我和尤裏談過,我覺得這可能會帶來很大的成就。注意他們如何嘲笑澤連斯基。  餘:好的,聽起來不錯。聽上去很好。

SW:還有一件事:澤連斯基周五將前往白宮。

餘:我知道。[笑]

SW:我會去那個會議,因為他們希望我去,但我認為如果可能的話,我們應該在周五會議前和你的老板通話。

餘:之前,之前——是嗎?

SW:沒錯。

餘:好,好。我聽到了你的建議。我會和老板討論,然後再回來找你,好嗎?

SW:好的,尤裏,我很快會和你聯係。

餘:太好了,太好了。非常感謝。謝謝你。

SW:再見,再見。

餘:再見。

[通話結束]

令人震驚、協助戰爭罪犯的行為。幫助我們的敵人去坑害歐洲的民主國家。

這一切都必須立刻停止。

不要把這種背叛行為視為常態。

維特科夫應該立即被解除職務並被起訴。

維特科夫-烏沙科夫的通話被泄露。是情報界有人泄露的。

無論你身在何處,我向你致敬。

要實現這一點,必須對正在發生的事情有嚴重且深刻的關切。

俄羅斯正在控製我們的外交政策。

 

英文:

 

[phone rings]

Steve Witkoff: Hi Yuri.

Yuri Ushakov: Yeah Steve hi, how are you?

SW: Good Yuri. How you doing?

YU: I am ok. Congratulations my friend.

SW: Thank you.

YU: You made a great job. Just a great job. Thank you so much. Thank you, thank you.

SW: Thank you Yuri and thanks for your support. I know your country supported it and I thank you.

YU: Yes, yes, yes. Yes. You know that’s why we suspend the organization of first Russian-Arabic summit.

SW: Yes.

YU: Yeah, because we think that you are making the real job there in the region.

SW: Well listen. I am going to tell you something. I think, I think if we can get the Russia-Ukraine thing solved, everybody’ll be jumping for joy.

YU: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you need to solve only one problem. [laughs]

SW: What?

YU: Russian-Ukrainian war.

SW: I know! How do we get that solved?

YU: My friend, I just want your advice. Do you think that it will be useful if our bosses will talk on the phone?

SW: Yes, I do.

YU: You do. And when you think it could be possible?

SW: I think as soon as you suggest, my guy is ready to do it.

YU: Ok, ok.

SW: Yuri, Yuri, here’s what I would do. My recommendation.

YU: Yes, please.

SW: I would make the call and just reiterate that you congratulate the president on this achievement, that you supported it, you supported it, that you respect that he is a man of peace and you’re just, you’re really glad to have seen it happen. So I would say that. I think from that it’s going to be a really good call.

Because — let me tell you what I told the President. I told the president that you - that the Russian Federation has always wanted a peace deal. That’s my belief. I told the president I believe that. And I believe the question is — the issue is is that we have two nations that are having a hard time coming to a compromise and when we do, we’re going to have a peace deal. I’m even thinking that maybe we set out like a 20-point peace proposal, just like we did in Gaza. We put a 20-point Trump plan together that was 20 points for peace and I’m thinking maybe we do the same thing with you. My point is this...

YU: Ok, ok my friend. I think that very point our leaders could discuss. Hey Steve, I agree with you that he will congratulate, he will say that Mr. Trump is a real peace man and so and so. That he will say.

SW: But here’s what I think would be amazing.

YU: Ok, ok.

SW: What if, what if... hear me out...

YU: I will discuss that with my boss and then I come back to you. Ok?

SW: Yeah because listen to what I’m saying. I just want you to say, maybe just to say this to President Putin, because you know I have the deepest respect for President Putin.

YU: Yes, Yes.

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SW: Maybe he says to President Trump: you know, Steve and Yuri discussed a very similar 20-point plan to peace and that could be something that we think might move the needle a little bit, we’re open to those sorts of things — to explore what it’s going to take to get a peace deal done. Now, me to you, I know what it’s going to take to get a peace deal done: Donetsk and maybe a land swap somewhere. But I’m saying instead of talking like that, let’s talk more hopefully because I think we’re going to get to a deal here. And I think Yuri, the president will give me a lot of space and discretion to get to the deal.

YU: I see...

SW: ...so if we can create that opportunity that after this I talked to Yuri and we had a conversation I think that could lead to big stuff. Notice how they laugh at Zelensky. 

YU: Ok, that sounds good. Sounds good.

SW: And here’s one more thing: Zelenskiy is coming to the White House on Friday.

YU: I know that. [chuckles]

SW: I will go to that meeting because they want me there, but I think if possible we have the call with your boss before that Friday meeting.

YU: Before, before — yeah?

SW: Correct.

YU: Ok, ok. I got your advice. So I discuss that with my boss and then I come back to you, ok?

SW: Ok Yuri, I’ll speak to you soon.

YU: Great, great. Thank you so much. Thanks you.

SW: Bye, bye.

YU: Bye.

[Call Ends]